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WHY HILLARY BEATS RUDY
Yahoo ^ | 10/9/2007 | Maggie Gallagher

Posted on 10/09/2007 8:32:07 PM PDT by Ol' Sparky

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To: businessprofessor

“Although the EITC was signed into law by Ford in 1975, it was substantially increased by Reagan, Bush I, Clinton, and Bush II. Many (Reagan and Milton Friedman among others) have claimed that the EITC lifts people out of poverty and increases work incentives because it is connected to earned income.”

To me, that program has always seemed like a subsidy for low wages, wages that would not be so low if we didn’t allow so many policies that lower them (won’t go into those now). We have many transfer payment subsidies for low wage earners, and if those workers earned more we’d save on all those programs and also allow the workers to make more choices about their purchases of goods and services in the consumer market.

And, there’s definitely MUCH fraud in the EITC program. I worked for a major tax preparation service one year, and declined to go back for more mainly because of not wanting to have any involvement in such obvious fraud.


61 posted on 10/09/2007 10:13:11 PM PDT by Will88
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To: Neu Pragmatist

One more time...the conservatives Rudy loses he makes up with Moderate Dems...if you don’t think there are more moderates than social conservatives, you’re wrong.


62 posted on 10/09/2007 10:16:03 PM PDT by Hildy ("man's reach exceeds his grasp"? It's a lie: man's grasp exceeds his nerve.)
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To: no dems

I agree with you . Fred has had an immense amount of pressure put upon him and I think he took it in stride .

I really enjoyed his subtle smackdown of Christopher Fatthews ...it’s about time


63 posted on 10/09/2007 10:16:19 PM PDT by Neu Pragmatist (Unite against Rudy ! - Vote Thompson ! - It's the only way to beat Hillary !)
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To: Will88

You should write a book about your experiences. The EITC has this halo of virtue. In reality, it is a cesspool of fraud, gaming, and entitlement.


64 posted on 10/09/2007 10:17:54 PM PDT by businessprofessor
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To: Ramius
LOL, I have read that about 12 times this week, how we need to destroy the GOP, so that they come back stronger while fighting with Hillary and Bill, lol!

Really wild rationalizations!

65 posted on 10/09/2007 10:18:10 PM PDT by roses of sharon
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To: Hildy

One more time ... Thompson can appeal to the middle/moderates just as well as Rudy can , and he can bring the Conservatives while he does it . Rudy can’t .

One more time ... I will also say that I think Thompson will have coat tails ... Rudy won’t .


66 posted on 10/09/2007 10:20:22 PM PDT by Neu Pragmatist (Unite against Rudy ! - Vote Thompson ! - It's the only way to beat Hillary !)
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To: Ol' Sparky

Giuliani would do far more damage to the country than Hillary Clinton would ever be allowed to do. Only liberal Republicans can most liberal legislation passed. A Giuliani Presidency guarantees a shrinking Republican minority while a Hillary Presidency likely means a Republican majority again.”

I agree, just as two years of Slick Willie with a Democrat controlled Congress was the impetus to the Republicans winning control of both houses for the first time in forty years.

A Giuliani presidency would be four years like this past summer and the immigration internal fight, a RINO president trying to pass liberal policies in cahoots with the Democrats in Congress.


67 posted on 10/09/2007 10:21:48 PM PDT by Will88
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To: businessprofessor

“You should write a book about your experiences. The EITC has this halo of virtue. In reality, it is a cesspool of fraud, gaming, and entitlement.”

I probably don’t have enough for a book, but at least where I worked (and it’s probably this way most everywhere) we prepared the returns based upon the information provided by the client. Use your imagination. But often they’d provide the wrong relatives (ineligible) and have to rethink who they were providing support for.

Of course, many knew the score and walked in with an acceptable list of people they provided qualifying support for. Some were probably legitimate.


68 posted on 10/09/2007 10:30:02 PM PDT by Will88
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To: Ol' Sparky
A Giuliani Presidency guarantees a shrinking Republican minority while a Hillary Presidency likely means a Republican majority again.

Thanks for at least being honest about who you'll support. Got your Hillary bumper stickers on yet?

69 posted on 10/09/2007 10:33:44 PM PDT by Ramius (Personally, I give us... one chance in three. More tea?)
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To: pieceofthepuzzle

Wise words.

Prepare to duck.


70 posted on 10/09/2007 10:34:02 PM PDT by wouldntbprudent (HONK IF YOU'VE SACKED TROY SMITH.)
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To: businessprofessor

Nor will I. That is a perversion of the function of one’s vote, which is, in fact, solely to be used to elect one of the viable (i.e., major party) candidates.


71 posted on 10/09/2007 10:37:13 PM PDT by wouldntbprudent (HONK IF YOU'VE SACKED TROY SMITH.)
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To: Ol' Sparky

“I can’t believe the American people will vote for that woman and her husband, a philanderer,””

Right, instead they will choose Rootie the serial philanderer who put his office in the WTC against his security adviser’s advice so he could have a convenient love shack from which to cheat on his wife


72 posted on 10/09/2007 10:44:01 PM PDT by DemEater
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To: Ramius
So if Rudy is the nominee you’ll just go ahead and vote for Hillary?

I'd vote for neither because I am smarter to realize voting for a liberal is detrimental to conservatism.

I would certainly be pulling for Hillary Clinton to win, though. Her election would pave the way for another conservative revolution while Giuliani would turn both parties into liberal ones.

73 posted on 10/09/2007 11:22:09 PM PDT by Ol' Sparky
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To: businessprofessor
Guiliani will not be much different than Bush.

You mean except on social issues and gun control, issues he if far more liberal on than Bush. That means, he wwould be a big-government, pro-amnesty, gun-grabbing social liberal in office. How is that any different than electing Bill Clinton to office?

Literally, Giuliani's character and liberal record in office are almost identical to Bill Clinton.

74 posted on 10/09/2007 11:26:17 PM PDT by Ol' Sparky
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To: DemEater

I honestly believe in Bill Clinton were running for the first time for President as a Republican against Hillary Rodham (who had married someone else), we’d have the same people supporting Giuliani supporting him.


75 posted on 10/09/2007 11:28:58 PM PDT by Ol' Sparky
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To: mylife
>"Hillary is very weak on the issues"

However her cackling could be the secret weapon to drive/prove UBL dead/outta his cave! Let the cackels over Tora Bora begin!

76 posted on 10/09/2007 11:31:48 PM PDT by rawcatslyentist (Hey Jessie, how much melanin do you have to have to form a socially acceptable lynch mob?)
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To: Hildy

Now why in the world would we want the Republican party to move further to the left? The Republican party is a conservative pro-life, pro-family, pro-liberty party and should remain as such. No thanks to the abortionist liberals! The dems can keep their trash. We’ll run and win on our conservative principles.

Thakyouverymuch.


77 posted on 10/09/2007 11:41:58 PM PDT by Jim Robinson (Our God-given unalienable rights are not open to debate, negotiation or compromise!)
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To: Joann37

Same thing that Alan Keyes went through.

I like Hunter because he gets to the point.

I don’t have the ability to listen to someone talking trying to hit all the points and with alot of words in between.

To hard to discern.


78 posted on 10/10/2007 12:16:59 AM PDT by Global2010 ( The Lord has heard ya'lls prayers for many in need.)
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To: Ol' Sparky

Republicans have a big problem in the presidential race. Romney looks too contrived to be believed. Thompson looks like he’s going to fall over any minute. Rudy’s too liberal to get the nomination. Huckabee is just a too “aw, gee, schucks” kinda guy. Hunter scowls way too much even if he has reason to. Ron Paul’s a looney toon. Brownback looks polished but I don’t trust his past positions. Lastly Tancredo is a little too spastic.


79 posted on 10/10/2007 1:49:49 AM PDT by TheThinker (Foreign campaign contributions should be criminal. This is not democracy at work.)
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To: CTSeditor
With pubs bashing Rudy, you deserve what you get.

No more perverts in the White House!

80 posted on 10/10/2007 2:33:01 AM PDT by Sir Francis Dashwood (LET'S ROLL!)
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