Posted on 10/09/2007 8:32:07 PM PDT by Ol' Sparky
The only parts of the GOP stabbing anyone in the back are the ones pimping Rudy. Throwing social conservatives and gun owners under a bus, when they are some of the most motivated voters and the key to holding the South and keeping the South Republican in Congress, is so incredibly stupid, it is mindboggling.
And, these social liberals like Giuliani (Christie Todd Whitman, Arnold Schwarzenegger) almost always betray economic conservatives and advance socialism. If Giuliani gets in and that happens, I don't want to hear one complaint because you were STUPID to believe a RINO was going to advance conservatism.
I’d say go even further and say there is no chance of Giuliani carrying Iowa or Colorado and he will likely lose Florida and and several other Southern states.
He is already promoting a legal path to citizenship for illegals.
I certainly don't trust a man that went so far as to coddle illegal by filing lawsuits on their behalf.
Giuliani is a Clintonesque. There is virtually nothing he will stand up for unless it benefits him politically. And, with Democrats in Congress, you'd see him betray conservatives to a great extent than Bush 41 did when he raised taxes.
If it is Giuliani vs. Hillary, it's a choice between reliving the Nixon years or Clinton years. I'd take reliving the Clinton years any time as Republicans gained 500 seats nationwide and that led to welfare reform and balanced budget.
Giuliani eliminates any hope for a conservative agenda for at least eight years plus the time it would take for Republicans to win back Congress after he left office.
First off, Iraq was not some secular paradise that you are seeming to suggest. Not in the least. Strong radical Islam thrived throughout Iraq. That Saddam himself did not tout himself as such a figure is immaterial to the fact that he ruled his nation as a thug dictator and clearly supported terrorism on the West. But no, there is a great myth that Iraq was some secular country within the ME. In fact, Iran could be considered much more secular actually. But being secular in and of itself means very little in terms of our NS.
The Gov't of both Iraq and Stan today are far more "Western" friendly and will be allies for years to come. How far both of these governments have come (from the bottom up) in the last 5 years is d*mn impressive (when one cuts out all the BS). Especially when one considers what they are coming out of (and within what region of the world they sit). It is complete foolishness for someone to intellectually suggest the ME is not better off with Saddam and the Taliban out of power. The West is safer because of both these accomplishments.
As for Saudi Arabia. This is the adult world. Not every problem has the same solution. We need to be grown ups and recognize this (not try and win some debate on if EVERY policy is staying consistent...for the purpose of simply staying consistent). Saudi Arabia, the Royal families and our issues there are not at all the same with what we were dealing with in Iraq or Stan (Saddam / Taliban / AQ).
Again, not every problem has the same solution. Changing the ME is going to be a long process. It will happen in phases (as it happened here, as it has happened everywhere around the world). Hell at this point in the birth of our great new nation (5 years in) were were still practicing most of the worlds sins...slavery being a mere one of them.
As for Rudy, he has grown (people are allowed to change their positions, if done so through experience and learning from past mis-judgments. The notion that everyone is suppose to have their political positions down pat & set for life is foolishness)- His positions on illegal immigration (now today) seem to me, to be of a stricter policy.
Furthermore, the rest of the GOP field seems to clearly understand where the base is at on this issue. Stricter policy is needed.
I will say again, more is happening on our borders (regarding NS) then is openly talked about (for very good reasons).
he chose not to run.
remember, rick lazio took juli’s place
and goofed badly, very badly.
Not sure to be honest. I want to like FT but am not too impressed. Can’t really stand Rootie or Romney. Rootie is just offensive and Romney is the ultimate flip flopper. He has no core principles. I think Huckabee may surprise. I want to hear more form them before I decide.
Exactly. Had he stayed in the race and defeated her, we wouldn’t have the possibility of eight more years of the clintons in the White House. And that’s another big reason I won’t vote for him.
Right. And Saddam Hussein was executed for dealing with it harshly, wasn't he?
That Saddam himself did not tout himself as such a figure is immaterial to the fact that he ruled his nation as a thug dictator and clearly supported terrorism on the West.
As I said before, this didn't make him unique among Middle Eastern nations. Heck, the Irish Republican Army got most of its funding from right here in the United States!
But being secular in and of itself means very little in terms of our NS.
I agree with this 100% -- which is why I've said the U.S. isn't really fighting a "war on terror" at all. We're building an empire, and we're perfectly comfortable supporting radical/terrorist entities whenever we see fit (I'll use the support of Kosovar terrorists and Chechen separatists by many of the same "neo-conservatives" who have supported -- and in some cases orchestrated -- the overthrow of the Ba'athist government in Iraq as perfect examples of this).
Saudi Arabia, the Royal families and our issues there are not at all the same with what we were dealing with in Iraq or Stan (Saddam / Taliban / AQ).
Right. The fact that they have the werewithal to spend millions of dollars lobbying the U.S. government on their own behalf makes all the difference in the world.
Again, not every problem has the same solution. Changing the ME is going to be a long process. It will happen in phases (as it happened here, as it has happened everywhere around the world). Hell at this point in the birth of our great new nation (5 years in) were were still practicing most of the worlds sins...slavery being a mere one of them.
The United States of America was not 100% reliant on a foreign nation for our survival five years into our existence. Heck -- within 15 years of the ratification of the U.S. Constitution we had the financial and military resources to purchase a piece of real estate from France that stretched from the Mississippi River to the Rocky Mountains.
As for Rudy, he has grown (people are allowed to change their positions, if done so through experience and learning from past mis-judgments. The notion that everyone is suppose to have their political positions down pat & set for life is foolishness)- His positions on illegal immigration (now today) seem to me, to be of a stricter policy.
None of this changes the fact that his previous position on illegal immigration wasn't just a political stand -- it involved a blatant violation of Federal law. For any sitting mayor to get away with this is preposterous. For a former Federal prosecutor to have this kind of arrogance in the face of Federal law is a f#%&ing disgrace.
I have no problem with Rudy Giuliani "seeing the light" when it comes to illegal immigration. In his case, however, he should have been "seeing the light" from the inside of a prison cell.
Fred, OTOH, has Star Quality. Unfortunately the movie is Andy Warhol's
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