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To: longtermmemmory
I know the boat building industry issues as part of my family owns a significant brand boat building business. So I don’t need to be lectured to.

The question addressed the comment that in America ‘the entire boat building industry disappeared’ which is bunk.

The point is that comments are made with no backup. Every comment made against the FairTax on FR is in the form of hot air. The FairTax itself is thoroughly researched and answers all questions but those that oppose it will not accept any objective analysis to support the FairTax. And many of the FairTax detractors have admitted on past threads that their business depends on the Income tax.

Anyone caught evading the NRST by bringing in a product bought overseas and having it fraudulently registered as previously owned will be prosecuted. A simple sting operation on foreign duplicity will be sufficient to open the can on all of their clients or shut them down from passing off bogus registrations. Each and every product brought into the USA will be assessed an excise tax.

The FairTax is orders of magnitude more manageable to enforce than the Income tax. It is much easier for criminals to evade the Income tax than it will be for them to evade the FairTax.

64 posted on 10/09/2007 8:16:50 AM PDT by Hostage (Fred Thompson will be President.)
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To: Hostage

must be those rafts people get here from Cuba on.....


67 posted on 10/09/2007 8:25:06 AM PDT by xcamel (FDT/2008)
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To: Hostage
Each and every product brought into the USA will be assessed an excise tax
Is that supposed to impress us?

Do you people just make this stuff up as you go along?...Of course you do. You're exposing yourselves as being more like lying Democrats just to sell your scam everyday .

If the plan is so great , why the constant lying?...HMMM?

68 posted on 10/09/2007 8:40:59 AM PDT by lewislynn (What does the global warming movement and the Fairtax movement have in common? Disinformation)
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To: Hostage
Anyone caught evading the NRST by bringing in a product bought overseas and having it fraudulently registered as previously owned will be prosecuted. A simple sting operation on foreign duplicity will be sufficient to open the can on all of their clients or shut them down from passing off bogus registrations. Each and every product brought into the USA will be assessed an excise tax.


you can not live in that sheltered a bubble. Are you seriously trying to sell this manure as fact? PEOPLE DO THIS EVERY DAY? Just visit you local customs entry point.

Often times they don't even bother checking! New rolex? New Jewelry? NO PROBLEM!

Getting to your absolute misrepresentation about the private boat industry taking a tank. Here are some links, a 93% reduction is pretty near dead:

"Ad space is down dramatically in the first six months of 1991, as compared to the same months last year," says Chris Donahower, publisher of Cahners' Motoryacht International and Power and motoryacht. "While I cannot blame this entirely on the tax, it is surely the primary factor here. Due to it, boating companies are suffering, consumer spending is down, and so are our ad pages. "

According to a survey of the largest boat dealers in Connecticut, conducted by the Marine Retailers Association of America (MRAA), sales of boats costing $100,000 or more have fallen 93 percent, from $7.879 million in 1990 to $ 545,000 for the same period this year. Nationwide, more than 19,000 people have been put out of work at boat making plants.


[sept 1 1991] http://findarticles.com/p/articles/mi_m3065/is_n9_v20/ai_11184186



but WAIT there is more!:


...

Back in the hot summer of 1990, Senate Majority Leader George Mitchell proudly engineered the infamous "luxury tax," a nasty little tithe on everything from furs to jewelry to yachts. Democrats were proud: Not only were they throwing new dollars at the Treasury, they'd done it by socking it to the rich. The wealthy, in the words of then-House Majority Leader Dick Gephardt, would finally pay "their fair share."

Within a year, Mr. Mitchell was back in the Senate passionately demanding an end to the same dreaded luxury tax. The levy had devastated his home state of Maine's boat-building business, throwing yard workers, managers and salesmen out of jobs. The luxury tax was repealed by 1993, though by the look of today's tax debate, its lessons haven't been forgotten. Top Democrats are working to implement a new class-warfare tax strategy, only this time they're getting pushback from those in their party who fear the economic consequences.

...
[from aug 3, 2007]
http://www.realclearpolitics.com/articles/2007/08/reluctant_class_warriors.html


Fair Sales Tax Scammers have learned nothing and are pushing this tripe based on a foundation in la la land. It is all promises PROVEN to have failed in the past. (what id Einstein say about doing the same thing and expecting a different result...)


Talk that there will be prosecution or that legal avoidance will not work is 100% laughable because not only will there be no prosecution, the avoidance methods WILL work because they are working to this day! They worked then, and they will work now, and they will work tommorrow.




The only argument the Fair Scammers have not used is that every tax payer would get a free Ginsu Knife.




.(tommy vu say you be rich, buy my tax scam.)

70 posted on 10/09/2007 8:47:48 AM PDT by longtermmemmory (VOTE! http://www.senate.gov and http://www.house.gov)
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To: Hostage

avoidance is not illegal.

avoidance is part and parcel of accounting.

To argue that tried and true methods of avoiding sales taxation is delusional and absurd.

Then you should KNOW about overseas corporations, they you should KNOW about keeping your boat away enough time to not be considered a new purchase.

We still have a buggy whip industry, it is just not as big as it used to be.

It is physically impossible to track all the sales bought elsewhere. It is not going to happen period.

The feds are not going to be bothered then as today with microscopic sales. More expensive items will not be detectable enough. There is no way to know if an item is new or used.

In addition some items will not be taxed as a matter of policy. For example unset diamonds/gems are duty free into this country. That will continue.

The fair tax scam is too loophole filled, too disruptive and just plain not thought out to be a viable alternative to the IRS.

You are dreaming in technicolor if such sting operations would be needed or necessary. All avoidance methods are done by the book out in the open.

The fair sales tax scam is just extending the mistake of 1991 into the entire american ecconomy instead of one segment.


80 posted on 10/09/2007 9:09:15 AM PDT by longtermmemmory (VOTE! http://www.senate.gov and http://www.house.gov)
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