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Cycling group's West Coast antics could be replicated here [Minneapolis]
Minneapolis Star Tribune ^ | October 07, 2007 | Katherine Kersten

Posted on 10/08/2007 12:35:56 PM PDT by Caleb1411

Critical Mass, the loosely organized bicycle group that ties up rush-hour traffic once a month in Minneapolis, has demonstrated who rules our streets. But Minneapolis isn't the only place where the Mass mob has strong-armed the police and City Hall, and left outraged motorists fuming but impotent. Today, Critical Mass cyclists cow commuters in more than 300 cities, from Denver to Rio de Janeiro, according to the San Francisco Chronicle.

The ride got its start in San Francisco (where else?) in 1992 with about 50 cyclists. Authorities there looked the other way as riders ran red lights and snarled traffic. Soon, the event was drawing hundreds, even thousands, of riders.

And therein lies a cautionary tale for Minneapolis.

Today, ugly confrontations are a fact of life in the City by the Bay, and traffic is a bad trip on the last Friday of the month. Cyclists sometimes scratch or beat on cars, taunt or spit at motorists, and come close to running down pedestrians.

Nevertheless, police maintain a hands-off stance, acting as little more than bystanders.

In March 2007, a mother who had brought five young girls to the city for a birthday party wandered into the path of 3,000 Critical Mass cyclists. Hundreds swarmed around her minivan, circling wildly and pounding on its windows. As the terrified children sobbed, one rider threw his bike and smashed the van's rear window. Damage totaled more than $5,000.

The incident provoked citizen outrage. But Mayor Gavin Newsom -- after a few empty threats -- declined to order arrests or more controls, and merely beefed up the ride's police escort.

How did San Francisco get into this state of anarchy?

The city ran up the white flag 10 years ago, after a pitched battle in July 1997 set a pattern of capitulation.

(Excerpt) Read more at startribune.com ...


TOPICS: Culture/Society; Editorial; US: California; US: Minnesota
KEYWORDS: agitators; anarchists; bicycle; criticalmass; ecoterrorism; gavinnewsom; sanfrancisco; trafficjam
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To: joebuck
You'd be shocked how much some of these guys pay for the superlight alumnium frame touring bikes.

You're out of date. Carbon fiber is the frame material of choice these days. Aluminum frames have fallen into the sub $2,000 value bike lines. Even Ti is yeilding to carbon fiber.

121 posted on 10/14/2007 12:24:05 PM PDT by Melas (Offending stupid people since 1963)
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To: truth_seeker

For the record. Most of us do obey all the traffic lanes. This is a tiny minority causing all the trouble.


122 posted on 10/14/2007 12:25:10 PM PDT by Melas (Offending stupid people since 1963)
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To: TypeZoNegative
Actually, some of the bikes that they ride cost upwards of 500 to 1000 dollars, sometimes even 3000 dollars. And yes, it’s worth it having a bike that costs more than 500 dollars because maintenance is less, it’s a more comfortable ride and the bike lasts for more than one riding season. I own a bike that costs 300 dollars (Which is considered a deal for a high performance bike) and I’ve only had a few problems with it since I’ve owned it.

$3,000 is far from top of the line, especially for a road bike. It's easy to pass $10,000 on a road bike. I have a $2,500 road bike, and I regularly get the nose up from the bike snobs. A good full suspension mountain bike can easily run from $5,000 to $7,500, and a good hardtail mountain bike can top $2,000.

Hell, then there are botique bikes like Colnagos, and they can cost as much as a Mercedes. However, you're not paying for performance at that point, but art.

123 posted on 10/14/2007 12:30:31 PM PDT by Melas (Offending stupid people since 1963)
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To: TypeZoNegative

Riding on the sidewalk is actually more dangerous. I’ve seen more bikes totaled by a car coming out of a driveway or an alley than I have from accidents on the road. You shouldn’t be riding your bike on the road or the sidewalk anyway. It’s a mountain bike, it only shines in the dirt.

I have bikes for almost every purpose. A hardtail mountain bike set up for racing. A full suspension mountain bike for aggressive trail riding. A full on commuter bike with a dynamo hub that provides light, full fenders, racks and panniers. An aluminum road bike for training. A full carbon road bike for the occasional bike rally. A foot foward town bike for neighborhood jaunts, and a little $500 beater bike as a buddy bike.


124 posted on 10/14/2007 12:41:19 PM PDT by Melas (Offending stupid people since 1963)
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To: TypeZoNegative

Riding on the sidewalk is actually more dangerous. I’ve seen more bikes totaled by a car coming out of a driveway or an alley than I have from accidents on the road. You shouldn’t be riding your bike on the road or the sidewalk anyway. It’s a mountain bike, it only shines in the dirt.

I have bikes for almost every purpose. A hardtail mountain bike set up for racing. A full suspension mountain bike for aggressive trail riding. A full on commuter bike with a dynamo hub that provides light, full fenders, racks and panniers. An aluminum road bike for training. A full carbon road bike for the occasional bike rally. A foot foward town bike for neighborhood jaunts, and a little $500 beater bike as a buddy bike.


125 posted on 10/14/2007 12:41:36 PM PDT by Melas (Offending stupid people since 1963)
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To: hershey

What do eco-cyclists do when winter comes to Boston?


126 posted on 10/14/2007 12:45:19 PM PDT by skr (Car bombs and IEDs are the exclamation marks for the latest Democrats' talking points.)
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To: TypeZoNegative
Most MTB’ers dislike road bikers for that same reason. And not surprisingly, you will find many MTB’ers to have some conservative beliefs, including our semi-conservative president of the United States.

I don't know a single serious or even semi-serious mountain biker (I'm first and foremost a mountain biker) who doesn't have a road bike as well.

127 posted on 10/14/2007 12:45:44 PM PDT by Melas (Offending stupid people since 1963)
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To: lesser_satan
I hope they all get Rachel Corried by a large truck, but barring that it’s fun to blow by them on an old mountain bike with dirt tires while wearing street clothes and smoking a cigarette. They really, really hate that.

Hey if you can pull it off more power to you. It's going to be impossible to pass a competent roadie on a mountain bike though. The gearing just isn't there. 44x11 with a 26" wheel is your tallest gear on a typical mountain bike. A semi-decent roadie can cruise along at speeds untainable by a mountain bike with his 53 x 12 gear with larger wheels.

Now, the important question: Why do you hate us so much? Bicycling just happens to be the sport I enjoy. I don't get why it offends some people so badly.

128 posted on 10/14/2007 12:51:56 PM PDT by Melas (Offending stupid people since 1963)
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To: null and void

Great job. LOL.


129 posted on 10/14/2007 12:54:55 PM PDT by ItisaReligionofPeace
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To: Neu Pragmatist
Again I will say I support bike lanes , or if none are available , the laws should be changed mandating that they ride on the sidewalk .

That's just crazy. Pedestrians moving at 3mph and cyclists moving in excess of 20 don't mix. Someone is going to get hurt. It's conceivable that I could be moving at 10 times the speed of a pedestrian. If you're moving 10 times faster than me on the road, you're a maniac in a Ferrari.

130 posted on 10/14/2007 12:56:32 PM PDT by Melas (Offending stupid people since 1963)
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To: Neu Pragmatist
Cyclists should be forced to use the sidewalks . They have no business being in the road if there are no bike lanes available .

Well, in the two states where I've taken drivers license tests, riding a bicycle on the sidewalk is a ticketable offense (i.e. it's illegal). Bicycles have to share the road, and they have to follow the same rules as any other vehicle. Of course, with their slower speed, they're supposed to allow cars to pass them when safety and traffic permits. I know that I've gotten a bit impatient while waiting to try to pass a bicyclist, but as long as he or she follows the rules of the road it's no problem.

But then I've never encountered riders such as are described in the article. I know that if I were in the same position as the woman in the van, once a window was broken out of the van, one or more bicyclists would have been run over, and it would have been justifiable homicide.

Mark

131 posted on 10/14/2007 1:09:08 PM PDT by MarkL (Listen, Strange women lyin' in ponds distributin' swords is no basis for a system of government)
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To: montag813
Can’t drivers hurl buckets of day-old pee and wet dog poop at the riders?

I'm not even going to ask why you've got those in your car, but please remind me to politely decline any rides you offer me...

Mark

132 posted on 10/14/2007 1:18:48 PM PDT by MarkL (Listen, Strange women lyin' in ponds distributin' swords is no basis for a system of government)
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To: Plutarch
I think it would be a good idea for all serious bicycle clubs to publicly dis-own all these lefty protest rides. Encourage all normal people with bikes to not ride on those days.

Portland is one of those freak cities where the mayor & city commissars encourage divisiveness between motorists & bicyclists.

133 posted on 10/14/2007 1:20:04 PM PDT by Cold Heart
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To: Cold Heart
I think it’s safe to say that 99% of bicycle organizations do indeed publicly disown the critical mass types. You just don’t hear it because no one in the media is rushing to broadcast or print those statements of disavowal. On the other hand, the stories of tied up traffic and vandalized minivans are sexy and sensational so they get lots of face time.
134 posted on 10/14/2007 1:31:19 PM PDT by Melas (Offending stupid people since 1963)
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To: Melas

“For the record. Most of us do obey all the traffic lanes. This is a tiny minority causing all the trouble.”

I am a very long term cyclist, and I agree. Most riders on streets do NOT hamper motor vehicle traffic, at least in my area.

My attempt at a clever post was probably misunderstood by several. I was not too pleased some said that cyclists should be run down, or shot.


135 posted on 10/14/2007 1:35:40 PM PDT by truth_seeker
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To: Melas

“For the record. Most of us do obey all the traffic lanes. This is a tiny minority causing all the trouble.”

I am a very long term cyclist, and I agree. Most riders on streets do NOT hamper motor vehicle traffic, at least in my area.

My attempt at a clever post was probably misunderstood by several. I was not too pleased some said that cyclists should be run down, or shot.


136 posted on 10/14/2007 1:36:19 PM PDT by truth_seeker
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To: Caleb1411

Cycling group’s West Coast antics could be replicated here [Minneapolis]


Minneapolis best hope they don’t replicate the ‘San Francisco naked bike ride’ held in 2006...... Nudity abounded thus nothing left to the imagination which would have been much better, imo.


137 posted on 10/14/2007 1:39:00 PM PDT by deport (>>>--Iowa Caucuses .. 92 days and counting--<<< [ Meanwhile:-- Cue Spooky Music--])
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To: Melas
Hey if you can pull it off more power to you. It's going to be impossible to pass a competent roadie on a mountain bike though.

The people I'm talking about aren't competent, they're jackass wannabe-posers, and I have pulled it off on more than one occasion.

Now, the important question: Why do you hate us so much? Bicycling just happens to be the sport I enjoy. I don't get why it offends some people so badly.

I'm not talking about everybody. I rode about 1000 miles myself last year (hardly got out at all this year), some of it on roads and some of it on trails. The people I'm talking about are the ones who disobey traffic laws and ride three abreast so they block traffic.

138 posted on 10/14/2007 1:48:42 PM PDT by lesser_satan (FRED THOMPSON '08)
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To: Melas
You asked why people hate bicyclists so much?
Real simple, the bike jerks, both collectively and singly.

I was hauling a horse trailer and came upon an organized valley to coast bike rally once. All was going well, the bikers stayed to the side and I went down the center (couple of them on the wrong side of the road) at a very slow speed, just enough to get by them. Suddenly one of them swung around and came right at me. I had to brake hard, knowing I could be giving one of our horses a bloody nose. The jerk had a real stupid smile on his face, knew what he was doing.

Same thing coming around a blind corner in the Portland hills (no trailer, just a car). I stayed towards the center & was alert for bicyclists. A Jerk on a bike purposely swung out in front of me, same stupid smile.

I have had two encounters with these bike jerks, multiply that by the rest of the motorists out there. I personally knew the person that organized the valley to coast ride. I and a lot of other people discouraged him from ever doing that again.

I have a mountain bike and a “skinny tire” bike. When I haul my bikes in my pickup I make sure the handle bars are down so people don’t think I’m one of “them bicyclists” Organized bike clubs need to publically dis-own these protest rides and the individual bike jerks.

139 posted on 10/14/2007 1:59:43 PM PDT by Cold Heart
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To: lesser_satan
The people I'm talking about are the ones who disobey traffic laws and ride three abreast so they block traffic.

Fair enough. I've little love for those who make cyclists in general look bad myself.

140 posted on 10/14/2007 2:03:59 PM PDT by Melas (Offending stupid people since 1963)
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