Posted on 10/07/2007 10:23:40 AM PDT by janetjanet998
Edited on 10/07/2007 10:34:41 PM PDT by Admin Moderator. [history]
I didn’t express what I was trying to state very well. I meant like a cross road.
Those same incidences can be seen in most people. If you never hurt anyone, no one thinks much about though. Why do most people live normal lives but occasionally one will cross the line?
‘Those same incidences can be seen in most people. If you never hurt anyone, no one thinks much about though. Why do most people live normal lives but occasionally one will cross the line?’
There is always a clear pattern of escalation in these instances. Some might recall the initial reports about both of the Columbine killers were ‘they were such nice boys’....or ‘they never seemed to bother anybody’.
Of course later we learned that simply wasn’t the case at all.
Check the descriptions of Jeffrey Dahlmer, his neighbors said he was ‘quiet, never bothered anybody’.
This stuff never changes, including how the media and locals initially react. Its only upon closer examination we find that the ‘quiet young man’ did have a problem with small animals (Dahlmer) or had problems with other kids and made death threats (Columbine punks).
This happens over and over and over again...yet somebody will always say ‘they just snapped’. Its the single biggest ‘urban myth’ in US history from what I can tell.
There are always ‘precursors’. Always.
Oh, state law will be overhauled after this fiasco....I expect all current LEOs will be background checked as well.
btw, a great book that covers this topic is called ‘The Gift of Fear’ by Gavin De Becker. I highly recommend it for reading, especially women.
I have to disagree. In the early going it seamed like the mayor was answering more questions than the police.
If he is a three term Mayor, he is largely to blame in the flawed hiring process....
Seriously though if John Doe went nuts, people that knew him might say:
1. He tended to be a loner. (There are lots of loners that don't kill people.
2. He used to get in fights at school. (Don't all little boys at one time or another?)
You see what I mean?
It makes me a bit uncomfortable that the kid was hired at age 19 to be an officer in the small town that he grew up in. I just don’t see people respecting him as a LEO when he was just walking the halls of the local high school. It had to make his job tougher.
No, its not a psy book. Its a book written by one of the best providers of executive protection in the world. He wrote it specifically for women, btw, but its a great read and will get you to rethink what you believe about events like the one we are discussing, as well as how ‘fear’ is natures way (the brains way) of trying to protect you.
We as a society ‘learn’ to ignore our natural instincts. Which is how so many become unwitting victims.
I can’t stress strongly enough about reading this book. And its not ‘boring’.
Yes, what 'little info' came out early might have come from the mayor.
But Milwaukee_Guy from his first posts on this thread continually blames the mayor for lack of instant info, the "lockdown" & "gag" orders.
I simply questioned why he insists this mayor was in charge of these 'orders'.
Agreed....& I haven't posted as to my opinion of their 'hiring process'.
This decision left better to the local voters, & as you can see I'm in TX.
sorry I forgot to ping you to post 571....
If he had not been a cop...Let's say he was a Fireman...would that have prevented him from getting a gun and doing this? As someone mentioned, youth in that area hunt. I expect that LE all over the country arelooking at their policies which is good but blaming this on everyone and everything but the shooter is just going to give the gun grabbers another inch, IMO.
Three-term Crandon Mayor Gary Bradley expressed anger and frustration at the state's handling of the case, complaining about a lack of information for officials and families and the length of time being taken in removing the bodies from the home.
I've seen the same thing happen in TX......Small communities faced with a major crime, call in the "state authorities" .......then the 'small authorities' have very little input into the 'on-going investigation.
I have to say they played it pretty well. All I’m hearing on the local news is about moving on and having memorials and the like. The story seems to be all but off of the national radar. The authorities have totally dodged the questions of whether it was a police issued weapon, why it took them so long to respond to repeated 911 calls, and why they choose to execute him in the field rather than bring him to justice.
“So why did you bother to jump in at all? Your lack of interest, and compassion sticks out like a sore thumb.”
I bothered to jump in because someone pinged me. That’s not too hard to understand. My lack of interest came after I entered a news thread wearing my conservative values hat, and my intention of exploring conservatism through discussion seemed oddly out of place. What was I thinking? As far as compassion goes, sure I have compassion, it just isn’t of the new-found ‘compassionate conservative’ type. Have you bothered asking if any of the new sign-ups are staunch liberals? Is that a silly thing to know? I sure hope not.
“How about that Jedward, we agree on something.”
I’m a Conservative and Patriot. I would hope we’d find something in agreement.
I have to admit, I’m very surprised there’s still states out there that don’t require a psych eval. When I was involved with this area in a former life, it was application, background, written, oral, psych, then drug test...in that order. Sadly enough, you’d be surprised how many actually make it through to the end and then fail the drug test (shaking head).
What I'm saying is often local authority is 'gagged' once they call the state in.......believe me no 'local authority' wants to withhold info (like death notification) for hours all the while knowing that the 'local grapevine' has already spread word.
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