Posted on 10/07/2007 10:23:40 AM PDT by janetjanet998
Edited on 10/07/2007 10:34:41 PM PDT by Admin Moderator. [history]
Open carry is allowed by state law however. I'd imagine there was quite a bit of "open carry" going on between the time this went down and the perp was shot by the SWAT team.
I respectfully disagree. I think it's working very well. Unfortunately, good news doesn't sell, so the media won't print all the good things that LEOs do every day. All we hear about are the bad things that a few do.
Here is a link to a local news report from Channel 9 - WAOW, in Wausau, WI:
Gunman Dead - Shooting Kills 6 in Crandon
http://www.waow.com/News/index.php?ID=16617
The suspect — a 20-year-old Sheriff’s Deputy — is deceased from either a sniper, or a self-inflicted gunshot to the head (Authorities said they will confirm which tomorrow). Unfortunately, six people were killed by this young man a little bit before 3 a.m. this morning. There was apparently an ongoing dispute between the suspect and his ex-girlfriend (one of the people who was killed).
What a sad thing to have happen — especially in such a small community. Prayers for the whole town and especially the family and friends of all who are deceased...
Other than no CCW/CHL the WI laws do not appear to be all that strict. They have their own background check, with $8 fee, for hand guns, but long guns appear to have few or no controls beyond the federal ones. It is a hunting state after all.
They also have a "strong" RKBA provision in the state constitution.
The people have the right to keep and bear arms for security, defense, hunting, recreation or any other lawful purpose. WISC. CONST. art. 1, § 25
Several stories indicate that he was both an employee of one Sheriff's department and a part time deputy in another county.
Tons of guns here in Wisconsin... Mostly long guns as you stated at least up North here, but plenty of arms and ammo nonetheless. As for handguns, we SHOULD have CCW permits and IIRC we’ve been trying to get that changed for a few years now... Not helpful having a Democrat for a governor though. He’ll raise our taxes till the cows come home, but doesn’t want people to be able to defend themselves... go figure...
Not on our local news at least... Tonight’s 10pm news reports are clearly stating that the suspect was a Sheriff’s Deputy. Don’t think they’ll be able to spin this, really...
You are correct. In my defense, early stories said a full time employee. That could be a dispatcher, or a clerk in the jail. But the later stories do say he was a full time deputy in Forest Co.
But "only police and military should have weapons", ask Sarah Brady.
You’re right about a CCW not being a factor in this particular situation... He walked into a party full of teens and started shooting from what I’ve heard. I don’t think any of them would’ve had a weapon on them even if we DID have concealed carry... This was a YOUNG crowd of local kids...
Ok. I just knew about the ccw problem. This is so tragic but bad things happen sometimes. I hate it when people use rare occurrences to try to promote their agenda though, don’t you?
Breaking news is always confusing. I wasn’t trying to criticize.
Some places yes, others not so much. Under Guiliani, and his "small crimes" enforcement policies, it was working pretty well in New York City, not because of it's gun control laws, but in spite of them. In DC, it doesn't work for spit. It doesn't depend as much on police as it does courts and politicians. If the courts put the perps away and the bureaucrats and politicians devote enough resources to keep them away, then there is a deterrent effect.. except in those sub cultures where getting sent to jail or prison is a badge of manhood.
“I hate it when people use rare occurrences to try to promote their agenda though, don’t you?”
Yep, I sure do... The only thing we have here is a Sheriff’s Deputy upset about a romantic relationship that went “off the deep-end”. It really has nothing to do with guns or permits, but you are right about people wanting to read so much into things like this. Next thing you know they’ll start saying 20 is too young to be a cop, or something because they surely can’t suggest cops not being allowed to carry. (I can think of a few things the gun-grabbers COULD come up with to suggest in light of this, but I won’t give them any ideas...).
There may have been another gun in the house . Some reports say a second officer was there. He might not have been armed though.
Sounds like a high capacity pistol, like the Glocks that many departments and individual police favor these days, but possibly a rifle, with one reload.
Let’s hope they NEVER go that route... If ANYONE should have total access to a weapon it is a police officer.
SOP for the modern Demoncrat. Wasn't always so.
"Certainly one of the chief guarantees of freedom under any government, no matter how popular and respected, is the right of citizens to keep and bear arms.... The right of citizens to bear arms is just one guarantee against arbitrary government, one more safeguard against the tyranny which now appears remote in America but which historically has proven to be always possible."
by: Hubert H. Humphrey (1911-1978) US Vice-President, US Senator (D-MN) Source: "Know Your Lawmakers," Guns magazine, February 1960, p.6
A male witness who heard the gunshots and was interviewed on Channel 12 (NBC), said it sounded like firecrackers going off (he was at least a block away). He said it was a LOT of gunshots that he heard... Could’ve been more than one gun. The authorities only held a VERY short news conference so at this point I’d say anything is possible. If another cop was there it could’ve been a gun fight at that point... I guess we’ll hear more in the coming days. The MO though is that the suspect was upset over a dispute with an ex-girlfriend (I think it was her apartment IIRC).
Yep... Democrats of OLD are MUCH different than the Democrats of modern-day. I really wish all the farmers here in Wisconsin would realize that!!! * Smacks self on forehead * I don’t think that many of them realize that the Democrat Party has strayed so far from their OLD ways... (Thank the socialists for that!!!).
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