You can't be so stupid as to believe any empolyer has the right to tell employees what they can do in their own home, or on their own time, as a condition of employment. An employer can only put conditions and rules on the time they are paying you, so if they want to pay a person 24 hours a day(and I don't mean saleries, because that has already been argued and found wanting), I mean actually pay you for every minute of every day, THEN just maybe they could tell you what to do after office hours. The fact of the matter is, if they tried to tell you a condition of employment was to be unarmed at home as well as on the premises you would be legally obliged not to comply with the "at home" provision. The reason? Because you cannot voluntarily give up your rights under the constitution.
It isn't legal, although they are trying it at some work places, to tell you that you can't smoke on your on time let alone tell you that you are unable to excersize your constitutional rights on your own time.
Your argument about freedom is full of many holes, I suggest you read more about freedom and the responsibilities that go along with it.
Like smoking? Illegal drug use?
Wasn't there some employer somewhere who required his smoking employees to stop smoking or they'd be fired?
I believe that survived a legal challenge too...
You can “give up your rights under the Constitution”. Criminal suspects, for example, do it every day. They waive the right to remain silent, have an attorney present, a trial by jury, etc.
“You can’t be so stupid as to believe any empolyer has the right to tell employees what they can do in their own home, or on their own time, as a condition of employment.”
You can’t be so stupid as to believe they can’t. Employment contracts routinely have “morals” clauses that allow the person to be fired if they engage in activities, off work, that degrade the reputation and image of the company.
Note: Check Michael Vick.
“An employer can only put conditions and rules on the time they are paying you, so if they want to pay a person 24 hours a day(and I don’t mean saleries, because that has already been argued and found wanting), I mean actually pay you for every minute of every day, THEN just maybe they could tell you what to do after office hours.”
Baloney, are you making this up as you go along?
“The fact of the matter is, if they tried to tell you a condition of employment was to be unarmed at home as well as on the premises you would be legally obliged not to comply with the “at home” provision. The reason? Because you cannot voluntarily give up your rights under the constitution.”
Baloney again. What is the most oft heard phrase in cop movies? “You have the right to remian silent, if you give up that right...”
“It isn’t legal, although they are trying it at some work places, to tell you that you can’t smoke on your on time let alone tell you that you are unable to excersize your constitutional rights on your own time.”
Of course it’s legal if you do it on their property.
I believe the City of Chicago forbids city employees to own firearms and I am sorry that I do not have a reference for you to that end.
You posted: Your argument about freedom is full of many holes, I suggest you read more about freedom and the responsibilities that go along with it.
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I understand you don’t like my reasoning, and I don’t think it is a good idea for employers to act that way, only that in NC and most other states, an employer doesn’t have to have a good reason to fire an employee. He can have any or no reason, as long as it is not an illegal reason (race, gender, age discrimination, e.g.) Don’t forget that the employer has rights too, even the right to do stupid things. The employer cannot force an employee to give up his guns, at home or otherwise, but the employer CAN fire him for keeping them, just like an employee can quit for the same reason. We may not like it, but the government havs no place telling an employer who he can and cannot employ.
Scotts Products is firing employees who smoke in their own homes on their own time.
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