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To: B-Chan

You haven’t given us enough information. What is your profession? Could you or your wife not get some kind of job with health insurance coverage through the employer? You really cannot expect other taxpayers to subsidize your desire to be your own boss. We all know people who plod on in jobs they don’t like, jobs that don’t have much in the way of opportunity. Maybe you have to take one of those that provides health insurance. Can’t you get a job at a Post Office? They have health insurance coverage and there are many Americans living on a Post Office salary.


328 posted on 10/08/2007 6:14:52 PM PDT by OneCitizen
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To: OneCitizen
You haven’t given us enough information. What is your profession?

Writer.

Could you or your wife not get some kind of job with health insurance coverage through the employer?

I've done that in the past. Our family business is too small to offer health benefits.

You really cannot expect other taxpayers to subsidize your desire to be your own boss.

I don't. I expect medical care to be priced so that self-employed people can afford it.

We all know people who plod on in jobs they don’t like, jobs that don’t have much in the way of opportunity.

Seventeen years in the advertising business, working my way from copy boy to art director. Yes, I'm familiar with wage slavery.

Maybe you have to take one of those that provides health insurance.

I will, when COBRA runs out. It's a shame I have no other options.

Can’t you get a job at a Post Office? They have health insurance coverage and there are many Americans living on a Post Office salary.

I suppose so. If it comes down to it, I'll shovel shit in a stable. I'm used to being a disposable human resource, after all. Any self-respect or basic human dignity I once had was long ago beaten out of me by our wonderful capitalist economic system. For my wife and child, I'll do anything other than betray Christ.

The point is that I shouldn't have to. There is no logical reason that health care should be so expensive. Something, as I said, is wrong. I'm not smart enough to know what, exactly, but it's obvious that something's just not working.

And I'm healthy and skilled. What if I wasn't? What if I was crippled and couldn't get a Post Office job with health insurance benefits? The Post Office can't hire everyone, after all. Suppose a person can't work at all? Maybe they're alcoholic, or depressed, or just plain lazy. Are their sick kids supposed to just crawl off and die because Daddy's too drunk get on at the USPS?

As with Marxian socialism, ideological free-market capitalism does not track with reality as experienced by human beings in the real world. It works fine when one is discussing the relationship between the supply of and demand for pumpkins, pins, or some other disposable good or service without which people can live if they so choose; in reality, however, health care cannot be left to an unregulated free market to provide — for the very simple reason that people's lives are at stake. At the very least, sick children must be cared for, even if other people are "forced" to pay for that care at gunpoint by the cold hand of Government. Children's lives are not pumpkins. Joe Six-Pack is not going to squat next to his kid's bed while little Joey dies from fever and say "Oh, well, it's the Invisible Hand of the Free Market at work. Better luck next time, kid." What he will do, given no other options, is pick up a gun, join forces with other Joe Six-Packs, and overthrow the government. The system he and his fellow revolutionaries put into place is likely to be much worse than the one that preceded it.

The same goes for food and shelter. No country where people are allowed to starve in the streets or die coughing in the gutters for lack of money is going to survive very long. Fair or not, like it or not, there are certain things that everyone has to have — whether they deserve them or not — or else the fabric of society will be destroyed. That's reality.

(To a Christian, of course, there is no such thing as being "forced to" care for the sick. It is the proud duty of every Christian to feed the hungry, clothe the naked, and care for the sick — even if the needy don't deserve it.)

I'm not a capitalist, but neither am I a socialist. I don't want government-paid health care, or government-paid anything else. Amtrak's service is lousy, and I don't think the Feds have any more business running a clinic than they have running a railroad. In the cases of both health care and railroads, however, government does have a legitimate function however: the function of providing infrastructure. The Feds pay for seaports, canals, highways, airports, and air traffic control infrastructure, which is then used by privately-owned businesses operating on a for-profit basis; so too should they provide infrastructure for railroads, not the rail passenger service itself. In like manner, the Feds should not be providing medical services directly; instead, they should provide infrastructure (in the form of vouchers) good for treatment at any participating privately-owned, for-profit medical care establishment. This would provide a guarantee of health care for all Americans while preserving the free-market system of choice that ensures quality care.

Yes, I can get a job somewhere that has health benefits — but not everyone is as capable as I am. For those who aren't, some way has to be found to keep them from dying in the streets, or else sooner or later we're going to end up with real socialized medicine. That's all I'm saying.

344 posted on 10/08/2007 8:26:45 PM PDT by B-Chan (Catholic. Monarchist. Texan. Any questions?)
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To: All

Thanks for the good work on this ! Truth will set us free-


” ...Could you or your wife not get some kind of job with health insurance coverage through the employer? ...”


Wondering why employers are expected to pick up the tab — or part of it ??

Shouldn’t we look at the insurance companies practice of short-paying Docs ?
Shouldn’t we look at pricing and competetivness ?
Maybe Docs could start shunning insurance ???
Maybe Docs could post prices ???

????? Let’s rethink the whole health-insurance tyranny that is currently creating this “crisis” .


347 posted on 10/08/2007 9:06:19 PM PDT by biscuit jane ( Stop. Think.)
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To: OneCitizen; B-Chan
Can’t you get a job at a Post Office? They have health insurance coverage and there are many Americans living on a Post Office salary.

WHY should he???

According to you, then we all should have a J.O.B., makes no sense at all!!!

364 posted on 10/09/2007 4:55:50 PM PDT by danamco (Now, I would LOVE to hear your solution as to how to remove 12 to 30 million people from this countr)
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