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To: RatSlayer; dsc; cherry
So tell me, RatSlayer: What have you done in your community to make sure that law enforcement personnel are well chosen, well trained and well paid, and that there are enough of them and that they have enough equipment to accomplish safely what you think they should accomplish in the manner in which you think they should accomplish it?

dsc: According to reports and to video she "went off". How do YOU handle wildly combative people without hurting them, allowing them to hurt themselves, or getting hurt yourself?

cherry, your point is good. How much does it cost to make sure that every holding cell has a monitor and every monitor has an officer who knows what to do watching it? And is your community willing to pay that cost? And if the money and the staffing aren't there should they just leave people alone, to run around the airport throwing cell phones and making trouble?

If we want to compare police work to the perfect, it will always come up short. It certainly gets my attention that there was no camera in the cell or officer watching a monitor. It would be interesting to know whose budget decision that was. But you can bet it was a budget decision, at the bottom. Cops don't make budget decisions. They suffer with them.

But what we have is communities hiring cops, paying them too little, not training or equipping them enough and then exposing them to opprobrium and lawsuits if they do their job under less than optimal circumstances. And then people on FR are shocked, SHOCKED, when cops do anything less than absolutely perfectly.

When you enter the realm of violence, violence is what often happens. People get hurt. Some die. Few of the good guys are happy with those outcomes. Few are given what they need to lessen the frequency of those outcomes.

35 posted on 10/06/2007 2:09:06 PM PDT by Mad Dawg (Oh Mary, conceived without sin, pray for us who have recourse to thee.)
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To: Mad Dawg

Well said, MD.


37 posted on 10/06/2007 2:10:29 PM PDT by trisham (Zen is not easy. It takes effort to attain nothingness. And then what do you have? Bupkis.)
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To: Mad Dawg

ah...interestingly enough, a voice of reason...well stated...that pretty much puts this saga of “great expectations” from folks who just don’t have the facts...


46 posted on 10/06/2007 5:05:47 PM PDT by nicko (CW3 (ret.) CPT, you need to just unass the AO; I know what I'm doing- Major, you're on your own.)
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To: Mad Dawg
[it will always come up short. It certainly gets my attention that there was no camera in the cell or officer watching a monitor. It would be interesting to know whose budget decision that was.]

I believe the courts have ruled surveillance to be a violation of privacy rights. May be wrong but I think that's the case.

48 posted on 10/06/2007 5:15:14 PM PDT by dbacks (I forgot to pay the rent on my tagline.)
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