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We came so close to World War Three that day (More Info)
The Spectator ^ | October 3, 2007 | James Forsyth and Douglas Davis

Posted on 10/04/2007 9:39:34 AM PDT by Parmenio

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To: Spktyr

What is the “hard floor” problem ?


221 posted on 10/04/2007 1:13:43 PM PDT by cinives (On some planets what I do is considered normal.)
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To: The KG9 Kid; AppyPappy

In the Xbox game, Mothra has electronic countermeasures too. It automatically deflects energy beam weapons.


222 posted on 10/04/2007 1:13:48 PM PDT by Sender (Dar al-harb, USA)
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To: 3AngelaD
‘In the Middle East,’ noted Bret Stephens, a senior editorial executive at the Wall Street Journal and an acute observer of the region, ‘that only happens when the interests of prudence and the demands of shame happen to coincide’

So we didn't want to embarrass Assad??

223 posted on 10/04/2007 1:15:21 PM PDT by airborne (Proud to be a conservative! Proud to support Duncan Hunter for President!)
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To: Dog
I disagree....if the Syrians had lobbed a nuke into Israel...and Israel struck back... that to me is WWIII....when the nukes launch....its game over.

I agree Dog.

There's a missing piece here that we need to keep in mind as well. It may not dovetail with this story tactically, but I think it does strategically.

Remember that report from I think it was Janes, about 15 Iranians and an unspecified number of Syrians who were killed when they were loading a missile with a canister of VX nerve gas and it blew up on them due to a defect in the missile's motor or something. Just a few weeks ago.

I think the WWIII opinion is being given too little credence on this thread. I'm wondering if Syria, Iran & Co weren't planning a MAJOR attack with the intent of wiping Israel off the map, including at least one nuke.

224 posted on 10/04/2007 1:16:40 PM PDT by HeartlandOfAmerica (The way to stop discrimination on the basis of race is to stop discriminating on the basis of race.)
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To: null and void
When the first plutonium bomb was going to be tested at Trinity, they ordered a 250 ton steel containment vessel, nicknamed "Jumbo", that was supposed to be used around the bomb, just in case the fission failed.

It was to contain the plutonium that they worked so long and hard to extract and refine, instead of scattering it all over the site.

The confidence in the bomb was such, that it wasn't used, and is still rusting away at the site.

Trinity is open to visitors two days a year, once in the Spring, and again in the Fall.

225 posted on 10/04/2007 1:16:52 PM PDT by Calvin Locke
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To: cinives

You’re not the first person to ask me that today.

Air defense systems that use radar all have a “floor” and a “ceiling”. They can’t “see” anything below a certain altitude, and that’s their “floor”. They usually can “see” higher than they can attack (their missiles or guns usually have less range than their radars), so either the maximum altitude it can “see” to or attack to is called their “ceiling”, depending on who’s doing the classifications.

Now, you can have a “soft” floor, or a “hard” floor. A “soft” floor is, as I understand it, a recommendation - that the system may be able to see an attacker below that altitude, but it may not - or its range may be reduced due to the physics and physical limitations of radar. This is the kind of floor most often quoted on US and Western equipment.

On the other hand, Russian radar gear often has a “hard” floor, where the system simply cannot see anything below that altitude. Anything below that floor might as well not exist as far as the radar is concerned. The published “hard floor” for the systems that the Russians sold the Syrians and Iranians is about 500 feet. Which means that you can bring a 20’ tall strike aircraft in at 475 feet, and the thing will never see you coming.


226 posted on 10/04/2007 1:18:06 PM PDT by Spktyr (Overwhelmingly superior firepower and the willingness to use it is the only proven peace solution.)
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To: Spok

If we put off the eradication of Iran until the Mrs. Bill administration there is a pretty good chance we will allow more than one nuclear strike against American targets before the Democrats realize that their bosom buddies ain’t their friends any more.


227 posted on 10/04/2007 1:19:56 PM PDT by arthurus (Better to fight them over THERE than over HERE)
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To: Parmenio

bookmark


228 posted on 10/04/2007 1:20:05 PM PDT by VirginiaMom
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To: Spktyr

Just like what you hear about in the movies.


229 posted on 10/04/2007 1:21:34 PM PDT by ConservatismNow (Iran is just a fantastic natural resource crying out for new, more responsible owners.)
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To: HeartlandOfAmerica
Remember that report from I think it was Janes, about 15 Iranians and an unspecified number of Syrians who were killed when they were loading a missile with a canister of VX nerve gas and it blew up on them due to a defect in the missile's motor or something. Just a few weeks ago.

You're referring to the incident of 23 Jul 07, which, not so coincidentally, is only now being brought to light. It would appear that something *big* was planned, and may well have been scotched. In the event that it hasn't totally been rendered non-operative, then all bets are off...

the infowarrior

230 posted on 10/04/2007 1:21:44 PM PDT by infowarrior
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To: halfright

Netenyahu said we’d be ‘stunned’, so it probably wasn’t a bumper sticker they took.


231 posted on 10/04/2007 1:21:45 PM PDT by txhurl (Yes there were WMDs)
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To: frithguild

I was driving down the road, on base, with my family when the news came on the radio. I pulled off the road to finsih listening. I thought that SCUD shot was the opening round of WWIII.

We drove right back home and started Stage 1 preparations.

As it turned out, all the warheads were conventional.

A scary time indeed.


232 posted on 10/04/2007 1:22:59 PM PDT by ASOC (Yeah, well, maybe - but can you *prove* it?)
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To: antiRepublicrat
Plutonium can form plutonium hydride in the presence of air and water, and that will catch fire all by itself

Ah. Didn't know that.

I guess calling the local fire department to hose it down is out of the question...

233 posted on 10/04/2007 1:23:27 PM PDT by null and void (<---- Living a life of quiet desperation...)
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To: Parmenio

Thanks for posting. BTTT.


234 posted on 10/04/2007 1:25:13 PM PDT by PGalt
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To: null and void

Best method of dealing with it - don’t be there....


235 posted on 10/04/2007 1:26:13 PM PDT by Spktyr (Overwhelmingly superior firepower and the willingness to use it is the only proven peace solution.)
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To: katykelly

ping for later


236 posted on 10/04/2007 1:27:08 PM PDT by katykelly
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To: ConservatismNow

What movies are you referring to?

Though movies *do* occasionally get the facts right...


237 posted on 10/04/2007 1:27:19 PM PDT by Spktyr (Overwhelmingly superior firepower and the willingness to use it is the only proven peace solution.)
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To: Parmenio

Bump


238 posted on 10/04/2007 1:28:09 PM PDT by BunnySlippers (Buy a Mac ...)
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To: Spktyr

Second best, have someone else bury it in sand and graphite?


239 posted on 10/04/2007 1:28:23 PM PDT by null and void (<---- Living a life of quiet desperation...)
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To: null and void

Bury it in molten lead. And then either by remote or have someone you really hate do it.


240 posted on 10/04/2007 1:30:45 PM PDT by Spktyr (Overwhelmingly superior firepower and the willingness to use it is the only proven peace solution.)
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