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To: Iwo Jima; jimrob
I'll take up the argument.

In 2007, under the current world situation, we are taking an interventionist stance. If by intervening we can stop an attack on our people by weapons than can harm more than just a few in one single instance, that is good policy.

This is not the war of 1812, it is not the "Wilsonian" era engagements and it is not the 1940s. There are real weapons out there that can inflect great harm from a great distance. Though they have been around for decades they are now coming into the purview of nations and entities who no longer value self preservation as we do.

I have seen your post about the terrorist not being able to get nukes, or if they can, just a couple. They are pursuing them, that is somewhat obvious, be it the rogue group or nations. So what if they only get a few. How many is enough that would pierce the veil of taking a proactive stance? One, maybe used in Tulsa with 350K dead? How about two and we add Atlanta and another 300K dead?

The dynamics of warfare have shifted, and to be honest we have been late in realizing that and are still mired in our ways in our active pursuit of our enemies. We will have to deal with this at some point. I would rather not be doing it from beyond the grave. I know you Paul folks say we have been scared by the administration and all that rot. Sorry, it was before that. This has been growing for years and now is the time to stop it come hell or high water. The dead could care less about the finer points of Constitutional law...

288 posted on 09/24/2007 6:48:02 AM PDT by ejonesie22 (I don't use a sarcasm tag, it kills the effect...)
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To: ejonesie22

Atlanta is probably safe. It’s CNN’s headquarters...


293 posted on 09/24/2007 7:12:58 AM PDT by null and void (<---- Awake and filled with a terrible resolve...)
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To: ejonesie22
Interventionism is not simplistically equivalent to the use of force, as non-interventionism also includes the use of force -- defensive and retaliatory force. Whether we are using force to stop an attack or to achieve geo-political/globalist/new world order/regime change/nation building goals [or insert word du jour] depends on the facts.

How many is enough that would pierce the veil of taking a proactive stance? One, maybe used in Tulsa with 350K dead? How about two and we add Atlanta and another 300K dead?

One nuke anywhere on American soil by any nation state will result in retaliation in kind (and more). It will not go on for long. It will be a long time if ever that a rogue group of terrorists get ahold of usable nuclear weapons. Should that happen, however, there will be retaliation against any nation that assisted them. Also, the identifiable group of persons who comprised that terrorist group (say, for example, Muslims) will one way or another all but cease to exist in the US, to put it in prudently subtle terms.

The dead could care less about the finer points of Constitutional law...

I cannot tell you how offensive and insulting that comment is to me and all patriotic Americans. Those are fighting words. Many brave soldiers including from my own family have died in defense of the Constitution which they were sworn to uphold. From their grave they curse you.
303 posted on 09/24/2007 7:39:44 AM PDT by Iwo Jima ("Close the border. Then we'll talk.")
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