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Ron Turd seems to be unaware that there were 50,000 people in the Twin Towers on 9/11.

9/11 was an attempt to kill 50,000+ people.

1 posted on 09/23/2007 10:47:57 AM PDT by LdSentinal
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Yeah this is a standard gripe of libertarians - the loss of civil liberties due to the WOT. However the strategy of belittling the deaths of 3000 people in an act of war by comparing it to accidental deaths is a poorly thought out political strategy worthy of common BDS sufferers.

The issue with the WOT should always be are we serious about this or not? If we are serious it will demand sacrifice. No, the WOT is not WWII but the country was committed to that war (with the help of a healthy Government propaganda campaign). Those citizens sacrificed many many of their civil liberties as well as their “blood and treasure” to win that war. They had no idea how long the war would last when they committed. Their commitment and sacrifice of civil liberties must surely have shortened that war.

If we are not serious about the WOT then why do we bother having a DoD? We might as well have Kucinich’s Department of Peace. In modern warfare there will be no more well uniformed armed forces storming our beaches. There will only be un-uniformed forces working against us world-wide. Which battlefield will you choose, Congressman Paul? Where will you make your stand?


27 posted on 09/23/2007 11:16:50 AM PDT by rhombus
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To: LdSentinal; SSS Two; fieldmarshaldj; ExTexasRedhead; JulieRNR21

Ron Paul once did good work. Hopefullly, after he retires, his public bout of senility will be a distant memory.


28 posted on 09/23/2007 11:17:36 AM PDT by Clintonfatigued (You can't be serious about national security unless you're serious about border security)
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If you could stop pointing and shrieking long enough to pay attention to what's being said, you might learn something. You're about as likely to be killed by a lightning strike as by a terrorist attack. The government's post-9/11 legislation was an overreaction and we do need to keep it in perspective.
30 posted on 09/23/2007 11:18:30 AM PDT by JTN (If Tyranny and Oppression come to this land, it will be in the guise of fighting a foreign enemy.)
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Uh huh. And more people die on the highways in less than a month’s time than the total deaths of US troops in Iraq since 2003.

So, even by your own twisted logic, Ron, one has no choice but to conclude that you shouldn’t be in such a big rush to “just bring the troops home.”


31 posted on 09/23/2007 11:18:31 AM PDT by RepublitarianRoger
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To: LdSentinal
9/11 was an attempt to kill 50,000+ people.

(my best recollection...)
"Do you have any doubt that if they could, they would have
killed 70,000 people?"


That's my best recollection from a speech given by Tony Blair
during the immediate aftermath of 9-11, when estimates of losses
hovered around 7,000).

Of course, thanks to the reportage of our Mainstream Media
and ABC's decision to NOT produce a DVD of their "Path to 9-11"
docudrama...
lots of Americans don't know that the first attack on the WTC was
done with the hope of toppling the WTCs and having them fall onto
other nearby office buildings...for maximal casualties of infidels.
And even Muslims that were in the building.
32 posted on 09/23/2007 11:20:19 AM PDT by VOA
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Nor can he distinguish between accidents and deliberate malicious acts.

I’m ashamed to admit that I have voted for him. That was a long time ago, and won’t happen again. Ever.


35 posted on 09/23/2007 11:20:45 AM PDT by null and void (<---- Awake and filled with a terrible resolve...)
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More people die from old age too. That's just not the point. People choose to take the risks associated with driving; and a hefty percentage of those who suffer, suffer due to their own errors. Not so with terrorism. Ron Paul is comparing apples and oranges. He might as well say more people die from cancer than from murder so why is the government so concerned about murder?

You can compare risks of different kinds of travel, significance of any given disease (the gov't tends to pick and choose unfairly in that area) or even crime to crime. But you can't compare crime/terrorism to traffic accidents and make any legitimate point.

37 posted on 09/23/2007 11:22:21 AM PDT by The Ghost of FReepers Past (Woe unto them that call evil good, and good evil; that put darkness for light..... Isaiah 5:20)
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38 posted on 09/23/2007 11:23:38 AM PDT by RightWhale (25 degrees today. Phase state change accomplished.)
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What a freaking moron!


40 posted on 09/23/2007 11:24:41 AM PDT by BlessedBeGod
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Seriously, I know Ron’s running for president. I’m just not sure he understands what country he’s campaigning in, much less what party.


41 posted on 09/23/2007 11:25:19 AM PDT by RichInOC (...make the stupid people shut up.)
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The man seems incapable of discerning between conspiracy mingled with evil with the ultimate goal of mass murder, and americans excercising their freedom by travelling on our roads, inadvertently screwing up, and crashing.


42 posted on 09/23/2007 11:27:54 AM PDT by Scotsman will be Free (11C - Indirect fire, infantry - High angle hell - We will bring you, FIRE)
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A ridiculous and clueless line of reasoning, IMO, and I’ve been willing to defend Paul on domestic/economic issues.


44 posted on 09/23/2007 11:30:06 AM PDT by oblomov (So, am I left with Duncan Hunter as the only viable option?)
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To: LdSentinal

Okay, whether or not the security measures have gone too far is a legitimate thing to debate, but this comparison in what appears to be an effort to minimize 9/11 is digusting and shows a lack of basic character. Hopefully he will be out of Congress soon as well. Is he being primaried, I hope?


46 posted on 09/23/2007 11:33:04 AM PDT by Republican Wildcat
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People like Run Paul will search for an reason to appease al Qaeda and to rationalize his cowardice and that of those who support this idiot.
50 posted on 09/23/2007 11:38:12 AM PDT by elhombrelibre (RUN Paul - a man proudly putting al Qaeda's interest ahead of America's.)
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To: LdSentinal

Get this retard out of the GOP ASAP.


52 posted on 09/23/2007 11:41:50 AM PDT by Bullish ( Reality is the best cure for delusion.)
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I'm trying to reply somehow constructively but I just can't seem to do it.

Ron Paul's a nutjob, and frankly the only supporters of him are the conservative versions of the truther nutjobs on the liberal side.

55 posted on 09/23/2007 11:46:15 AM PDT by Domandred (Eagles soar, but unfortunately weasels never get sucked into jet engines)
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Pathetic! If he’s making statements such as this, it’s no wonder he’s starting to get followers who are so kooky they even think John Kerry is a Bush puppet. Paul appears headed for Paul Craig Roberts kookoo territory.


60 posted on 09/23/2007 11:52:00 AM PDT by puroresu (Enjoy ASIAN CINEMA? See my Freeper page for recommendations.)
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To: George W. Bush

The list might want to see this one. In comment #48 I posted an excerpt from an article comparing the threat from terrorism to those of other remote threats.


61 posted on 09/23/2007 11:52:30 AM PDT by JTN (If Tyranny and Oppression come to this land, it will be in the guise of fighting a foreign enemy.)
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To: LdSentinal

Technically, he is correct. But I don’t know of one “Freedom” I have given up, or been asked to give up since 9/11. There has been no crackdown on Speech, Arms, Religion, the Press, Assembly, Association, Double Jeopardy, Speedy trial or any other of the Bill of Rights in the Constitution. Not a single one. Maybe a tiny bit of Privacy, but not so that I have even noticed it. If they get out of hand, then they need be smacked with is easy to do through the legislature and the courts.
Ron Paul is NOT an evil man. He is a very principled liberterian with a LEW ROCKWELL streak. I think we’ll do better with his followers with convincing rhetoric and reason instead of name calling and rolling our eyes like the left does. Challenge his ideas directly for the best result.


67 posted on 09/23/2007 12:06:09 PM PDT by BRK
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I am torn, is he a traitor, idiot or a mental case. I am starting to believe a little of all 3.


71 posted on 09/23/2007 12:11:36 PM PDT by italianquaker (Is there anything Ron Paul doesn't blame the USA for?)
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