Posted on 09/20/2007 6:40:58 PM PDT by Petronski
Over the last two days The Oregon Poll was seen by almost 400 "unique visitors," most of them in support of Republican presidential candidate Ron Paul. The majority of these people came from these two links on the web.
ronpaulforums.com
stormfront.org
Alot of visitors. I don’t like Ron Paul that much though.
Association comes from voluntary connection through interaction. Having some believes in common is not a voluntary connection. Making a choice to associate myself by submitting articles through one of Duke’s publications or making a choice to go on Duke’s radio show many times would be a voluntary association through connection.
..and again, I’ve said this before, Ron Paul is not associated with David Duke..
You’ll notice in the comment you originally responded to, I did not mention Paul at all, I was simply mocking this publication for being a little kooky. No mention of Paul there, no accusation of association, no mention in that post of Paul believing those things, simply laughing at the conspiracies this website believes in.
UH OH. So Ron Paul is a columnist for a white supremacist publication? It’s not just his misfortune to have these people as followers, he actually is one of them? It’s going to be a little harder for him to disassociate convincingly.
Well, I guess Trent Lott really does have something to complain about now. He lost his position of power in the republican party for a friendship while Paul is running for president as a republican.
That’s the problem with the internet: it removes any sense of proportion from life. It’s not reasonable to demand that a political candidate disassociate himself from any crackpot group that sucks up to him or tries to ride his coattails. The problem is that Ron Paul is an internet-only candidate, and these groups are internet-only activist groups. So who’s to say what group deserves how noisy of a disassociation?
My partial suggestion: association should be measured by intent. The Republican Party associates itself with Paul by inviting him to debates, something the Democratic Party did not do with Lyndon LaRouche. By appearing in those debates, the Republican candidates associate themselves with him. If Paul is truly contemptible, they have a responsibility to disassociate from him, because they have associated with him. But by associating with Paul, do they associate with whacko groups that cite or promote Paul? If it becomes clear that Paul has purposely benefited from those groups, my answer would be “yes.” For instance, if Paul cited the poll which started this thread as a justification for “being taken seriously,” or being included in debates and other polls which the mainstream candidates chose to associate with, AND there is evidence that Paul knew where his support was coming from in these polls, or reasonably should have known, then Paul needs to be exiled. I do not know of compelling evidence this is the case.
I doubt Paul would have submitted anything to them if he knew their background..
I am starting to think all of this focusing on Paul’s fans is taking away from legitimate discussions about the one or two major issues many of us disagree with Paul on.
The smears are flying left and right. I would think that some freepers, who have victims of similar smears by O'Reilly and others, would be a little more careful before casting stones.....but the I guess all is fair when trying to stop Ron Paul and defend this war.
BTW, since you wnat to play in the gutter, please note that Trent Lott also got in trouble for speaking to the openly racist Citizens Councils. Ron Paul is too smart a guy to ever speak to that group.
I do believe that David Duke made much of his support for Bush when he was running for the legislature.
LOL!
Since my discussion is with you, not the entire board, I have no need to 'keep up'.
If you choose not to respond to my posts, that is your affair, but responding by attempting to deflect the argument into being about my actions instead of debating the subject at hand is ludicrous.
No, I said nothing of the sort, but I'm not at all surprised to see a Paul supporter who is an outright liar.
As anyone literate enough to read my post can see, my point was that the Repbulican Party doesn't need to be associated with Willis Carto and the American Free Press or the Council of Conservative Citizens and Political Cesspool.
Paul should disassociate himself from these groups, else other Republican candidates will be forced to criticize him for them.
Of course maybe the Dems, now under political pressure for their connections to moveon and KOS, won't play the right wing hater card which Paul hangs around the Republican Party's neck.
Thank god Toys-R-Us was left out...
Glad the Paulinati have the numbers for the Illuminati....
Thank god Toys-R-Us was left out...
Glad the Paulinati have the numbers for the Illuminati....
And I am not sure exactly how “Wilsonian” smashing terrorist is...
Do you think the MSM will be as generous when they decide to associate these groups with every other republican running for office?
If I write a regularly occurring column that appears anywhere, I'm going to know exactly what goes on at the place where it appears. If Paul does not know, he's an idiot who deserves all the negative publicity he will receive. If he does know, there are quite a few deceived people who are supporting him and they need to know. As I am sure there may well be some, even here on this site, who know full well what his background is and down play it because they know consequences.
The problem is that now it is easy to portray him as a white supremacist whether he is or is not one. The republicans have a new crisis to deal with or the MSM is going to have a field day.
All I mean to say is that I think you’ll find subsequent posts already dealt substantially with the issues you’ve raised.
Willis Carto isn't an internet-only activist, he has a half century long history of hatred as the article notes. I'm not a big wiki fan, but their article on Carto is on target. In my view Paul has no business allowing them to advertise him as a print columnist.
Whether you like it or not, the Dems can use this as an issue to deflect moveon/KOS criticism.
I should point out that Republicans have taken hits for these associations in the past. Buchanan (he was a R in 1990) for his Holocaust denial article in the Spotlight (Carto), and multiple problems over associations with the Council of Conservative Citizens. That associating with these groups can cause problems isn't open to question, it's happened before.
He needs to disassociate himself from these people.
hey sport - try reading the thread - see 375 then 382 sport
See post 384.
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