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MADELEINE: 'BODY THROWN INTO THE SEA'
Daily Express ^

Posted on 09/15/2007 2:40:29 PM PDT by UKrepublican

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To: 1066AD
Great link.

I found this comment by a priest interesting:
“The police must focus on finding Maddie. We don’t know whether she is dead. They won’t find anything here”, the English priest said.

He knows this how?

81 posted on 09/15/2007 6:17:24 PM PDT by ukie55
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To: UKrepublican

The case against the McCanns detailed in a dossier now before Judge Pedro Miguel dos Anjos Frias appears to rest mainly on potentially damaging forensic test results. These are said to include Madeleine’s DNA in traces of bodily fluid, as well as a mass of hair, discovered in the McCanns’ hire car which was rented 25 days after she vanished.

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OH MY GOD!!! Is this true???

Wow. I had really felt sorry for this couple and even thought the Portugese police were just going the typical route of blaming the parents, but this seems damning!


82 posted on 09/15/2007 6:23:56 PM PDT by Southerngl
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To: Jedi Master Pikachu

If the parents killed Madeleine, why wouldn’t they kill her siblings?

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It was an accidental overdose from sedating them so they could go out while the kids slept.


83 posted on 09/15/2007 6:24:49 PM PDT by Southerngl
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To: UKrepublican

One thing about a an accidental drug over dose: I heard a doctor say it would take 30 times the sleep dose to kill the child. Hard to believe a couple of MD’s would over do it.


84 posted on 09/15/2007 6:25:32 PM PDT by TalBlack
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To: Pete from Shawnee Mission

You might find strands of hair but not CLUMPS of hair. Clumps of hair fall off the scalp of a disintegrating corpse.

It was BODILY FLUIDS in the trunk of the car that the cadaver dogs hit on. Decomposing bodies give off two chemicals that live bodies do not, called cadaverine and spermine. This is the evidence the Portuguese have, and on which they will base their probable cause to arrest the McCanns.


85 posted on 09/15/2007 6:26:43 PM PDT by Palladin (Satan to Fidel: "Let me light your cigar.")
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To: alicewonders

That makes sense to me, because the parents obviously weren’t candidates for “Parents of the Year” by leaving 3 very young children alone while they went out to dinner with friends. It makes more sense than any other explanation does.

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Really??? I mean what if a fire broke out!


86 posted on 09/15/2007 6:26:51 PM PDT by Southerngl
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To: Palladin; Southerngl

Sounds like she had to have been alive for part of that time. I couldn’t imagine what a mess a corpse would be after 25 days.


87 posted on 09/15/2007 6:30:26 PM PDT by ukie55
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To: panthermom

You assume ‘bodily fluid’ means urine or feces. Bodily fluid of a dead body could be just about anything, including the liquid that comes from a decomposing (25 days after the fact) body. Sad and sick as that is to type about a three year old little girl.


88 posted on 09/15/2007 6:33:52 PM PDT by Southerngl
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To: UKrepublican

“Why did she clean that toy? (phycologists say most parents wouldnt’ - because they want the smell of their child nearby)”

Yes...this is true.
We had people helping us out during a tough time when our daughter died, and I remember being very upset when I realized her sheets had been washed.
I didn’t want anything to be washed.


89 posted on 09/15/2007 6:34:03 PM PDT by Scotswife
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To: stinkerpot65

I kind of have to agree a little. I have always felt the Portugese police have pointed the finger a little too far to them without much evidence. I mean if they rented this 25 days after she died. THey have been insinuating the parents since day one to me. And furthermore, this is telling of the mindset of the Portugese to think you could ask a friend, ‘Hey, I accidentally killed my kid, could you help me hide the body and then help me pretend to look for her?” Much less SEVEN friends? Whatever.

But, IF, and I say IF, there is DNA of the little girl in the car... that is pretty damning.


90 posted on 09/15/2007 6:36:14 PM PDT by Southerngl
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To: LibWhacker

“I’m having trouble believing this because... Seriously now, how many regular people could find someone to help them get rid of a body? Particularly the body of a child? And on a moment’s notice to boot?”

the same crew they were traveling with and who claimed they were periodically checking on the children - although - come to think of it - the last guy who checked now says he didn’t actually look into Madeline’s room that night.


91 posted on 09/15/2007 6:36:47 PM PDT by Scotswife
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To: panthermom

My four year old got away from me in a Walmart once. I was really glad to hear they actually DO have a Code Adam and that wasn’t some email Snopes urban legend thing. I told an employee in a panic I couldn’t find my daughter and she immediately called Code Adam on the intercom. She was found by an employee hiding in the clothesrack. She was punished by GOD!


92 posted on 09/15/2007 6:39:04 PM PDT by Southerngl
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To: tjd1454

Why has the fact that overdosing normally does not involve BLOOD apparently escaped so many commentators?

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Who said “BOOD”? They said BODILY FLUID. All you CSI buffs around here sure are missing that BODILY FLUID doesn’t necessarily mean BLOOD, URINE,SPIT or FECES?


93 posted on 09/15/2007 6:43:42 PM PDT by Southerngl
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To: Scotswife

http://www.websleuths.com/forums/showthread.php?t=53235&goto=nextoldest

The following relates to the family friend who maintained he checked on the children, found everything quiet, but didn’t open the door...

“Also the table waiters that were working in the resort’s restaurant – the Tapas, where the group of friends had dinner that night – didn’t notice much movement of checking on the children. One of them guaranteed to Sol that, since the beginning of dinner (which started between 8.30 and 9 p.m.), only two men got up, almost simultaneously.

One of them was Russell O’Brien, one of the doctors of the group, who was absent for most of the dinner and who returned to the table 5 minutes before Kate went to her apartment and noticed Maddie was missing. Russell then explained that his daughter was sick, and even “vomited so it was necessary to change her bed sheets”. One of the employees of the Ocean Club, who was heard by Sol this week, contradicts his version: “If that had happened, he would have to ask the housekeeping service for some clean sheets, which did not happen”.


That’s it for me, I’m done with this.


94 posted on 09/15/2007 6:47:00 PM PDT by Fred Nerks (Fair dinkum!)
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To: Fred Nerks

I agree with you. So many (including the jury) claimed Darlie Router was guilty of killing two of her children and cutting her own neck because she shot silly string on her son’s grave. If anyone found out the reason, it makes sense. It was her son’s birthday a few days after he died. She already had all the party stuff and her mother suggested they go “celebrate”. The grandmother regrets ever suggesting that because it became damning to her. That grandmother was trying to comfort her daughter as well as hold her own grief. That poor family.


95 posted on 09/15/2007 6:48:31 PM PDT by Southerngl
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To: tjd1454

I suppose it is possible that she managed to struggle to the bathroom perhaps to vomit

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Or choked on vomit?


96 posted on 09/15/2007 6:49:10 PM PDT by Southerngl
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To: UKrepublican
The admission comes only two days after the McCanns went on the offensive after being named official suspects, issuing a challenge to detectives: “Find the body and prove we killed her.”

As others have said this is very very strange. If the parents actually said this word-for-word that is shilling to me. If they also as others have said left young children alone at home while they went out that is also a very telling bit of information.

97 posted on 09/15/2007 6:52:33 PM PDT by isthisnickcool
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To: dbacks
To my knowledge, DNA provides no indication of life/death status.

The other evening I was watching Nancy Grace and she had a specialist that said that they can tell if the DNA is cadaverous.

98 posted on 09/15/2007 6:54:14 PM PDT by GinaLolaB
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To: Scotswife

We had people helping us out during a tough time when our daughter died, and I remember being very upset when I realized her sheets had been washed.
I didn’t want anything to be washed.
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I still had my mother’s “cancer turbin” as I called it when she died. It smelled like her for a while.


99 posted on 09/15/2007 6:54:39 PM PDT by Southerngl
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To: Fred Nerks

So you think this was some sort of freaky pedo group? I mean that would hold someone to hide a body. Especially if it meant the other children weren’t ‘investigated’.


100 posted on 09/15/2007 6:56:50 PM PDT by Southerngl
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