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Guys,
I am not saying that it does not take electricity to create the RF waves or that this is a free energy lunch. What I was saying was that this is a very interesting discovery. And, yes, it is a discovery because no one has ever done this with radio waves before. The “discovery” is that you could use RF to achieve the result and that this was not something that we all learned in junior high school. Whether it translates into a wonderful new enegy source was not the point of my posts. The point was how quick some members of FR are to jump all over anything like this. It happens quite a bit and I find it to be a bit cynical in that you can’t just appreciate the joy of the discovery. Some would rather find the “bad” and, at the same time, show everyone just how smart they are.
This may not have been the intention of anyone today but that is the way it comes across.

> Whether it translates into a wonderful new energy
> source was not the point of my posts.

But that was the point of the original, typically
incompetent legacy media report.

I agree there may be something scientifically
interesting here. I doubt there is any free lunch
energy-wise.

Also, unlike traditional electrolysis, this process
seems to release both gasses at the same point; a
dangerous mix that may not be trivial to separate
into containers of H2 and O2 (without even more
energy to liquify them).

The point was how quick some members of FR are to jump all over anything like this. It happens quite a bit and I find it to be a bit cynical in that you can’t just appreciate the joy of the discovery.

I love the joy of discovery, myself. I worked in R&D for forty years, six of them directly related to hydrogen energy. I want as much as anyone for breakthroughs to happen. But things like this that are so full of holes defame and do a disservice to genuine advances. Here is just one example:

an independent source measured the flame's temperature, which exceeds 3,000 degrees Fahrenheit, reflecting an enormous energy output.

TEMPERATURE is not HEAT Energy. This is a frequent pitfall for novice energy inventors, even sincere ones! A reviewer reading a publication at this point would throw up their hands.

Whenever there is a ferocious demand for something, Bad Reasoning appears, whether it is Energy issues, Ethanol/Gasoline mixtures, The Internet Bubble, Vitamin megadoses,"Climate Change" etc..

Yes, I do jump on these, because people may invest in them with tragic results, or pin hopes on them that disappoint, at the least. I believe it to be an ethical matter. I should not CARE any more, I suppose, because I did retire last year, but the real cynicism is not in people who respond to these shrouded opportunities, but is instead comitted by people who try to capitalize on the failure of Science Education in order to extract money. That is cynicism in a cold-blooded form.