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I cannot verify the facts of this article- that's why I wanted to post it here to see what you guys all thought.

One possibility is that it may be part of some complex hedging strategy or some kind of relative value arbitrage.

I would be interested in your thoughts

1 posted on 09/08/2007 6:40:22 AM PDT by jefferson31415
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Of the exchange could simply refuse to close the options and they lose either way.


2 posted on 09/08/2007 6:43:34 AM PDT by Brilliant
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This is the third or fourth article I’ve read about these trades and I have yet to see one written in English. Can you translate it for those of us not into The Market?


3 posted on 09/08/2007 6:48:02 AM PDT by SW6906 (6 things you can't have too much of: sex, money, firewood, horsepower, guns and ammunition.)
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"Clearly, someone knows something big is going to happen BEFORE the options expire on Sept. 21."

Clearly? that's an awfully big assumption, looks like a bunch of people got together to risk their money on the spin a giant roulette wheel.

4 posted on 09/08/2007 6:49:25 AM PDT by #1CTYankee (That's right, I have no proof. So what of it??)
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If something big happens here this month, something big better happen over there, really big.

Thermonuclear big.

Hey Congress and DC elites: we citizens have had it. One more terrorist attack on innocent Americans like 9/11, you better take care of business, no holds barred.

We don’t intend to live the rest of our lives in fear. And we don’t intend for our children to live in fear.

Seal the borders, deport the illegals, and tell CAIR this is America, not downtown Riyadh.


5 posted on 09/08/2007 6:54:33 AM PDT by exit82 (Major General, Armchair Warriors USA)
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Someone posted awhile back that there were similar call bets that the market would shoot up over the same time frame. I don’t know how this stuff works.


6 posted on 09/08/2007 6:55:28 AM PDT by Sender (There is no psychiatrist in the world like a puppy licking your face. -Ben Williams)
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Its a HOAX folks. Ive called my broker and theres been no such trading activity


8 posted on 09/08/2007 7:01:04 AM PDT by ulm1 (“There are scandals that need to be addressed. Republicans address them, Democrats re-elect them.”)
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Everyone needs to Warren Buffet (if you do not know what that is call your broker and ask. If they do not know what it is get a new broker)their holdings and if possible keep the family home on 9/11. Rent videos or play games at home - especially if you live in a large city. Make sure your disaster supplies are current and fill up all the gas cans and vehicles you have. Not alarmist just prudent. If I could of know the potential day that the Loma Prieta earthquake struck my life for several years would have been different.
11 posted on 09/08/2007 7:03:07 AM PDT by mad_as_he$$ (Remember Mustang 22 and her heroes.)
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ping to you, stay safe


12 posted on 09/08/2007 7:04:17 AM PDT by Former Proud Canadian (How do I change my screen name after Harper's election?)
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“Follow the money”


13 posted on 09/08/2007 7:06:33 AM PDT by BenLurkin
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George Soros smells of this.


14 posted on 09/08/2007 7:06:34 AM PDT by unixfox (The 13th Amendment Abolished Slavery, The 16th Amendment Reinstated It !)
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Or someone—say Soros—manipulating the market again.


15 posted on 09/08/2007 7:06:37 AM PDT by the Real fifi
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You can’t place shorts on the index, you have to pick a stock. So what are the stocks? There are many financial and mortgage firms that have already dropped 40% or more, and likely more that will follow.

Simply put, the Dow or S&P doesn't have to drop 40% in order for a 40% short to pay off.

22 posted on 09/08/2007 7:20:49 AM PDT by SampleMan (Islamic tolerance is practiced by killing you last.)
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Not that I understand it but: http://www.thestreet.com/newsanalysis/optionsfutures/10377063.html


23 posted on 09/08/2007 7:21:29 AM PDT by vietvet67
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Why a Terrorist attack? Perhaps, war with IRAN!

"DEBKAfile’s military experts conclude from the way Damascus described the episode that the Pantsyr-S1 missiles were a letdown because they failed to down the intruders and therefore leave Syria and Iranian airspace vulnerable to hostile intrusion. Such information on the Russian weapons systems sold to both countries is essential to any US calculations of whether to attack Iran. "

Certainly you do not believe our or other politicians, friend or foe, are beyond making some money off of inside info?

24 posted on 09/08/2007 7:24:26 AM PDT by Mumbles (Because we disagree doesn't make you or me right. Treat each other with respect.)
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Like betting the number 13 on roulette every friday 13th?


26 posted on 09/08/2007 7:29:44 AM PDT by Old Professer (The critic writes with rapier pen, dips it twice, and writes again.)
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...or parhaps: WASHINGTON
As Congress and the Bush administration prepare for a long-awaited showdown next week over the U.S. role in Iraq, one Hampton Roads lawmaker is quietly warning anyone who will listen about another, and potentially far more ominous, military confrontation.

"The most dangerous place in the world today is not Iran or Iraq," U.S. Rep. Randy Forbes, R-Chesapeake, said in an interview. "It's the Taiwanese strait."

Forbes said an eight-day trip to China last month gave him a freshened sense of the country's growing economic and military strength and heightened concern about possible Chinese moves against Taiwan.

28 posted on 09/08/2007 7:48:43 AM PDT by Mumbles (Because we disagree doesn't make you or me right. Treat each other with respect.)
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Clearly, someone knows something big is going to happen BEFORE the options expire on Sept. 21.

The options will be sold (bought?) on 12 Sept. It's a fair amount of money, but the potential return is huge. If it doesn't work out, at least it wasn't a total gamble.

29 posted on 09/08/2007 7:52:19 AM PDT by RightWhale (It's Brecht's donkey, not mine)
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There are 65,000 contracts @ $750.00 for the SPX 700 calls for open interest

OK FOLKS, LISTEN CAREFULLY!!!!

These are CALLS, not PUTS. CALLS are options to BUY the item, not options to SELL. These are not "700 points" out of the money, but are in fact almost 700 points IN the money.

In other words, they are ALREADY worth $4.5 billion dollars.

People buy calls like this all the time. They have almost no "time value", and there cost is almost equal to the cost of the shares. And they move pretty much in step with the underlying stocks.

So they are a simple way to purchase twice as much stock without having to go on margin loans.

To buy that much of the SPX 700 would cost twice as much money.

There ARE a large number of PUTS also, but they could have been years old and just coming to expiration. Someone could have bet against this stuff a couple of years ago, and once they are worthless there's no point in selling them.

BTW, I can't find the price on the "750 puts", but I guarantee you they aren't even going to cost you a dollar, meaning 65,000 of them would only cost you 6.5 million, not billions.

Think about it. If someone offered you a billion dollars to sell to them the chance to force you to buy the SPX 700 at 750 dollars a share, wouldn't you take the money and run? So would anybody with a brain.

One more thing. If you buy a PUT, it means you can force someone to buy the item from you at that price. They way you make money is that if when it comes due, the item is cheaper, you could BUY the item at a cheaper price, and force people to purchase it from you.

SELLING PUTS is the most dangerous thing to do, because you CAN'T protect yourself, and can be forced to purchase worthless stuff. But you DO know your maximum loss, which would be whatever the strike price is.

SELLING CALLS is the most "risky" thing from a total loss perspective, but is actually pretty safe if you don't mind leaving money on the table. You just buy a stock, and then sell to someone the right to buy it from you at a price. You put money in your pocket, and at WORST you have to sell the stock at the price you agreed to. But if in the meantime the stock doubles, you've lost all that gain.

Selling calls on stocks you own that don't move is a great way to add a little bit of extra money to your portfolio each month.

Anyway, wanted to clear up the confusion about these 65,000 CALLS, not PUTS.

30 posted on 09/08/2007 8:02:22 AM PDT by CharlesWayneCT
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The fact that they will become widely known will probably make them worthless.


33 posted on 09/08/2007 8:17:33 AM PDT by Eagles Talon IV
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There were 2500 more 700 calls sold Friday. Also 1000 700 Puts, for an open interest of over 110,000 on the put side. You make money by selling calls if the market then goes down, or by buying puts. The article is confusing, but the heavy interest at this low exercise price is very interesting. It does imply someone is expecting a market crash before the expiration date of 9/21. One other thing: to sell naked calls at this volume would mean a huge cash reserve to back them up. The seller might have been an insider or agent for a central bank somewhere in the MidEast, for example. Or George Soros. It would be just like him to get inside info on a terror attack and rather than alert the authorities, capitalize for his own personal gain.

If some huge plot is foiled in the next couple weeks there will be some real sore losers.

39 posted on 09/08/2007 8:58:32 AM PDT by hinckley buzzard
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