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"Neo-Con" Do You Qualify?
PC Free News ^ | September 4, 2007 | JB Williams

Posted on 09/04/2007 11:50:38 AM PDT by PlainOleAmerican

The most popular political slur of our time is the term "neocon." Politically engaged people of several ideologies use the term regularly and although they mean different things when they use it, the term is always intended to be an insult, like the terms "neo-Nazi," and "fascist," also favorite slurs of the same ilk using "neocon." I was first called a “neocon” by known Democratic Socialists upset by my writings in favor of America’s founding principles, Life, individual Liberty and the right to pursue Happiness in a free market society where all things are possible through individual achievement and reward.

Since Democratic Socialists believe in and support Death not Life (abortion), a Greater Communal Good - not Individual Rights and the right to take from achievers via progressive taxation - not the right to live free, earn and retain wealth by the sweat of one’s own brow, I took the term “neocon” as a compliment.

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The hate mail I have received from Ron Paul supporters reads just like the hate mail I have always received from Marxists around the globe and across the aisle. It’s hate-filled overtly angry foul mouthed and threatening rhetoric that reads like it was written by anti-Semitic skin-heads on crack. I doubt that even Ron Paul would be proud of how his supporters behave…

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To: mnehrling
http://johnshadegg.house.gov/rsc/LB%204-27-05%20interstate%20abortion.pdf

Scroll down to where it says "Constitutional Authority".

141 posted on 09/04/2007 1:55:00 PM PDT by tacticalogic ("Oh bother!" said Pooh, as he chambered his last round.)
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To: fieldmarshaldj

“I find nothing objectionable about nation-building in the least. We have no choice in the 21st century to do just that, otherwise we will have to endlessly fight wars or have our borders invaded by people fleeing said countries.”

If we don’t fight endless wars, we’re faced with having to fight endless wars?
Regarding the second categorical statement, which I read to mean that if we don’t engage in nation-building our borders will be invaded . . . well you’re on your own with that gem, FRiend.
Nothing to see here, move along, no `rubber-necking’ . . .


143 posted on 09/04/2007 1:55:39 PM PDT by tumblindice (My parrot loves the Weekly Standard)
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To: mnehrling
The fact is that if a crime occurs across State lines, by today’s laws, it is a federal crime. If you don’t like the interstate justification for federal involvement, go after the root law. Don’t just use it as an excuse to hide behind.

Who's hiding behind what, here? You want the end to justify the means.

144 posted on 09/04/2007 1:57:06 PM PDT by tacticalogic ("Oh bother!" said Pooh, as he chambered his last round.)
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To: PlainOleAmerican

“That’s why you’re against the war on terrorism... The press told you to be... Maybe this is why you think these guys are neocons, the press told you so...”

First of all, don’t put words in my mouth. I am not against the war on terror nor have I ever given any indication that I am. Second, I believe little if anything I hear from the MSM and only view it as a source of ammusement. Your comments are completely unfounded and frankly, PlainOleStupid.


145 posted on 09/04/2007 1:57:17 PM PDT by Hacklehead (I'm not here to make friends.)
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To: PlainOleAmerican

That was the dumbest thing in a long time.

Goes back to my vacuum theory...


147 posted on 09/04/2007 1:59:02 PM PDT by ejonesie22 (I don't use a sarcasm tag, it kills the effect...)
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To: MrB
Wickard v Filburn.

And anyone who's read the Federalist Papers and other supporting documents wrt the Commerce Clause knows what a steaming pile of socialist sophistry it is.

148 posted on 09/04/2007 2:02:24 PM PDT by tacticalogic ("Oh bother!" said Pooh, as he chambered his last round.)
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To: death2tyrants

Because you don’t agree with him...


149 posted on 09/04/2007 2:04:07 PM PDT by ejonesie22 (I don't use a sarcasm tag, it kills the effect...)
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To: Tafts Ghost

Well that proves it.

I wonder what Reagan would say TODAY...

Things are a tick different now...


150 posted on 09/04/2007 2:07:27 PM PDT by ejonesie22 (I don't use a sarcasm tag, it kills the effect...)
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To: TKDietz
“The most popular political slur of our time is the term ‘neocon.’”

I thought it was “liberal.”

I have carefully analyzed the usage of the word "neocon" and have concluded that a "neocon" is virtually anyone who disagrees with a liberal position.

And as Thomas Sowell so accurately observed about liberals:

Some people say it is "name-calling" if you refer to someone as a liberal. There is nothing inherently negative about the word "liberal." If it has acquired negative overtones, that is because of what liberals have done and the consequences that followed.

151 posted on 09/04/2007 2:08:27 PM PDT by MosesKnows
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To: Tafts Ghost; PlainOleAmerican
PlainOleAmerican,
I can’t see YouTube from here, but let me know if this is the speech from Reagan about ‘nation building’ that a lot of people post as ‘proof’ Reagain was against it, but was cut before he started talking about how, it was also in our interests to fulfill our treaty obligations and to ensure security by promoting liberty (basically, edited to leave out how Reagan differentiated Nation Building for the sake of building from Nation Building for the sake of honoring treaties or help our security.)
152 posted on 09/04/2007 2:10:58 PM PDT by mnehring (If there's one thing that makes me sick it's when someone tries to hide behind politics- Joey Ramone)
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To: mnehrling

Details, details...


153 posted on 09/04/2007 2:12:33 PM PDT by ejonesie22 (I don't use a sarcasm tag, it kills the effect...)
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To: ejonesie22
Ping #152.. wasn’t this the speech some Paulie posted a couple of weeks ago that later, was shown that the entire last half of the speech was cut out?
154 posted on 09/04/2007 2:13:51 PM PDT by mnehring (If there's one thing that makes me sick it's when someone tries to hide behind politics- Joey Ramone)
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To: Alberta's Child; Allegra; Badeye; Petronski; fieldmarshaldj; trisham
AC: What rank baloney! I am what you wrongly describe as a "neoconservative". That is to say that I AM, unlike paleoPaulie love slaves, an actual conservative. I was a volunteer attorney for the National Rifle Association members arrested in Connecticut before I retired. I never met a single person of what you would call a "neoconservative" persuasion who did not militantly support gun rights. I regard Larry Pratt as a valued acquaintance and share his views. Do you know who he is???

Open borders??? there are 20 million "illegals" here according to most estimates. You might be able to close the borders to more (highly doubtful just as a practical goal given the resources necessary to achieve that goal). You will never send the overwhelming majority of those already here back to Mexico or wherever. The anchor babies are staying since they are citizens by birth. We are not going to pay for knocks on 10 to 20 million doors at 3 AM. The legal hearings would eliminate all other court functions. We would have a law enforcement establishment whose cost would swallow everything else. The issue is over. You lost. They are replacing 50+ million sliced, diced and hamburgerized babies killed by Roe vs. Wade. The "illegals" will be much more likely to help end the holocaust of Roe vs. Wade than will be Muffie of the Junior League or Skipper of the Polo Club, however white shoe their ancestry.

Wanna venture a guess as to the percentage likelihood of "strict interpretation" of the constitution???? If you mean by strict interpretation that the courts should read the document and apply it literally, the answer is zero. Read the federal budget, lie by line. I understand that that would take a lot of time and that you have only one life to live. Nonetheless, what percentage of the expenditures are constitutional, in terms particularly of the restraints of the Tenth Amendment which limits federal central government power to those items and only those items specifically enumerated in the federal constitution? 10%, 5%, 2% maybe???

Suppose that a party launched a presidential candidacy and 435 House candidacies and 35 or so Senate candidacies predicated on "strict interpretation" of the constitution. You will elect as many candidates as the Libertoonians do. They cannot recruit that many candidates but that makes no difference since none, repeat: none, will be elected. Many people who regard themselves as "conservatives" on law and order, on military manhood,on manly foreign policy, on protecting the babies, on protecting marriage as ONLY the union of one man and one woman do NOT favor "strict construction" on a slew of economic programs. The want concededly unconstitutional programs as part of what Ronaldus Maximus called the "safety net." In paleo terms, he must not have been conservative. Social Security, Unemployment Compensation, Workers' Compensation, Medicare, Medicaid, higher education tuition subsidies, agricultural subsidies and a wide expanse of other expensive social programs preclude any political success being attached to "strict construction."

Even one congresscritter from Galveston who claims to be the uberconstitutionalist favors earmarks for shrimping' subsidies, Galveston trolleys and Galveston buses to be included in an appropriations bill to be passed by everyone else as he poses for holy pictures by voting no while bringing home the tons of pork anyhow. Can he spell H-Y-P-O-C-R-I-S-Y????? Or even paleohypocrisy????

155 posted on 09/04/2007 2:14:14 PM PDT by BlackElk (Dean of Discipline of the Tomas de Torquemada Gentlemen's Club)
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To: mnehrling

Not sure, can’t get the tube here. But if Reagan was against Nation Building, what the hell was Iran Contra all about...


156 posted on 09/04/2007 2:17:04 PM PDT by ejonesie22 (I don't use a sarcasm tag, it kills the effect...)
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To: mnehrling

Not sure, can’t get the tube here. But if Reagan was against Nation Building, what the hell was Iran Contra all about...


157 posted on 09/04/2007 2:17:21 PM PDT by ejonesie22 (I don't use a sarcasm tag, it kills the effect...)
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To: Tafts Ghost
Conservatism is a description of your views on social politics, but now all you need to do is like war to be considered a conservative

Ain't that the truth. Joe Lieberman, who may just well be the most liberal US Senator...at least on the issues of taxes, affirmative action, gay rights, abortion rights, radical environmentalism and gun control, is a favorite of many so-called "conservatives" today.

158 posted on 09/04/2007 2:21:37 PM PDT by uxbridge
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To: BlackElk
Not sure of the point of your rant. An "open borders" position is fine because its impossible to close the borders much less deport the illegals already here? That might be more convincing if the federal government wasn't actively working to interfere with local efforts to enforce federal immigration law...the feds cite field preemption as the reason they don't want local authorities to stop an invasion that most effects local governments...then, when the locals are stopped...the feds continue to do nothing

The deaths of 50 million unborn is the result of federal executives, of both parties, enforcing an illegitimate Supreme Court ruling for the last 35 years. Instead, we have gotten lip service ("I support strict constructionism"..."I'm opposed to abortion")...then Adminstration after Adminstration submits to the Court's ruling instead of declaring the holding in Roe to be the fraud that it is.

And one constant from both parties is that the government continues to grow...unconstitutional federal programs continue to expand...and new ones are always being created.

If your argument is that you need to abandon your principles to win elections...then I say...save your money and don't bother running.

What is the use of being elected or reelected, unless you stand for something?
--the original uberconstitutionalist Grover Cleveland

159 posted on 09/04/2007 2:36:27 PM PDT by uxbridge
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To: tumblindice
I'm not sure what you're misunderstanding here. If we go overseas wherever it may be, fight a war, withdraw after declaring "victory" (however that may be defined), only to see the place go to hell soon afterwards because the people in those countries are unable to maintain order, then we have to go right back there again. Apparently the only "acceptable" option to some Paleos (although with many not wanting to bother to get involved in anything thinking that burying our respective heads in the sand will somehow make the problem go away). Then we get the nice side-effect of refugees having to flee those lovely war-torn locales, and you can guess where quite a few of them are going to end up. Like I said, we have no choice in the matter. It's not the 19th (or 20th) century anymore.
160 posted on 09/04/2007 3:02:30 PM PDT by fieldmarshaldj (~~~Jihad Fever -- Catch It !~~~ (Backup tag: "Live Fred or Die"))
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