Posted on 08/29/2007 4:59:22 AM PDT by PlainOleAmerican
Ron Paul supporters are fast making a name for themselves on the web. Not because they are just web savvy, but because they have proven themselves to be the best at hacking on-line polls, invalidating conservative polling data on behalf of their candidate. It seems that even Democrat 527 MoveOn.org is now onboard the Ron Paul anti-war train.
Despite the fact that presidential candidate Ron Paul can not score better than 3% in any legitimate national poll, his supporters claim he is “the conservative” candidate to beat in the 2008 Republican race for the White House. Despite his less than conservative voting record in congress and his Teddy Kennedy like position on the war on terror in Iraq, his supporters think he is the most “conservative” candidate in the race. How?
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When pigs fly in other words. Political pundits going back before the founding of our country recognized the dangers of allowing a "democracy" to vote themselves more largess from the public treasury.
However, this makes it all the more important to get someone who isn't liked by the current power structure in DC. Someone who could potentially be a threat to their little petty fiefdoms carved from our Republic.
Hunter is one. Tancrdeo another. Paul still another. Thompson, much less so as his Senate record clearly shows. Anything less is advocating "more of the same" that has already proven to be flawed and even self destructive.
* They have the 20% Libertarian vote locked in
* They think they have 10-15% of the rat vote
* They cannot afford to lose any R voters who might come back around when the surge shows success: 10%.
On paper they're working with 40-45%. We have to watch them.
And now, friends and countrymen, if the wise and learned philosophers of the elder world, the first observers of nutation and aberration, the discoverers of maddening ether and invisible planets, the inventors of Congreve rockets and Shrapnel shells, should find their hearts disposed to enquire what has America done for the benefit of mankind?
Let our answer be this: America, with the same voice which spoke herself into existence as a nation, proclaimed to mankind the inextinguishable rights of human nature, and the only lawful foundations of government. America, in the assembly of nations, since her admission among them, has invariably, though often fruitlessly, held forth to them the hand of honest friendship, of equal freedom, of generous reciprocity.
She has uniformly spoken among them, though often to heedless and often to disdainful ears, the language of equal liberty, of equal justice, and of equal rights.
She has, in the lapse of nearly half a century, without a single exception, respected the independence of other nations while asserting and maintaining her own.
She has abstained from interference in the concerns of others, even when conflict has been for principles to which she clings, as to the last vital drop that visits the heart.
She has seen that probably for centuries to come, all the contests of that Aceldama the European world, will be contests of inveterate power, and emerging right.
Wherever the standard of freedom and Independence has been or shall be unfurled, there will her heart, her benedictions and her prayers be.
But she goes not abroad, in search of monsters to destroy.
She is the well-wisher to the freedom and independence of all.
She is the champion and vindicator only of her own.
She will commend the general cause by the countenance of her voice, and the benignant sympathy of her example.
She well knows that by once enlisting under other banners than her own, were they even the banners of foreign independence, she would involve herself beyond the power of extrication, in all the wars of interest and intrigue, of individual avarice, envy, and ambition, which assume the colors and usurp the standard of freedom.
The fundamental maxims of her policy would insensibly change from liberty to force....
She might become the dictatress of the world. She would be no longer the ruler of her own spirit....
[America's] glory is not dominion, but liberty. Her march is the march of the mind. She has a spear and a shield: but the motto upon her shield is, Freedom, Independence, Peace. This has been her Declaration: this has been, as far as her necessary intercourse with the rest of mankind would permit, her practice.
When John Quincy Adams served as U. S. Secretary of State, he delivered this speech to the U.S. House of Representatives on July 4, 1821, in celebration of American Independence Day.
I found this book online at the Internet Archives in PDF format for free download here: http://www.archive.org/details/PerpetualWarForPerpetualPeace
Wonderful words. Worthy ideals and guidelines for a nation in the 19th century.
They couldn’t imagine that our own citizens would cheer the throttling of our own commerce with ponderous regulations. They couldn’t imagine that this would cause our economy to fund a religion with standard bearers that preach that non-believers must submit or die.
The key issue...
They couldn’t imagine that villains could penetrate our natural geographical defenses to cause us serious harm with the contents of a single suitcase or a retractable box knife.
I have no defense of the adminstrations lack of thought in failing to protect our border. I do know that we have been killing Al-queda in Iraq and Afganistan and this administration has taken the fight to those that have the ability to cause this nation great harm.
OK..let's try again.
The WOT is a world wide struggle involving a faceless enemy who is very determined and focused. He will use every means to kill us, indeed he would destroy us, if he could. It's no longer a game of sticks and arrows, he would love to get his hands on a nuke and bring it right here and detonate it right here in one of our cities.
I maintain (yes, it is my opinion) that such an enemy must be fought at all cost, all over the world, win, lose or draw. I maintain that we have no other option.
Your determination to engage in war and "win" at any cost may win you friends on this forum, but it can also signal an obsession. Gamblers are especially prone to it, as I have discovered recently.
I have no friends on this forum and I'm not looking for any. What few I had were expunged in the last purge. As far as the obsession, I don't know what part of that you personally have experienced but for me it's merely a desire to live in relative security in my own homeland without fear of some crazy muslim setting off a bomb as I go shopping. If that's an obsession, so be it.
Successful poker players know when to bet, when to bluff and when to fold.
Actually, I do enjoy poker but in a casino I only play the one game where the odds are in my favor. Are you saying it's time to fold in the WOT?
It's embarrasing and wrong. I'm reminded of something President Reagan said:
"A political party is a mechanical structure created to further a cause. The cause, not the mechanism, brings and holds the members together"
Yes, but it makes it impossible to elect anyone willing to destroy the nanny state...
Ridicule and criticism ensures we will not get it.
These are tools of the left; and should be laid down.
OK..let’s try again.
The WOT is a world wide struggle involving a faceless enemy who is very determined and focused. He will use every means to kill us, indeed he would destroy us, if he could. It’s no longer a game of sticks and arrows, he would love to get his hands on a nuke and bring it right here and detonate it right here in one of our cities.
Bingo. As many problems as I have with this President, he recognizes and has acted on the issue that matters most - saving Western Civilization. They are not just attacking our interests. The Islamofascists are all around the world spreading their terror.
As Ron Paul is not contending to be the Democrat nominee, he is not in a position to stop Hillary. After he fails his bid to become the Republican nominee, we will desire the friendship and help of his supporters.
Heh heh, it's a conspiracy I tells ya...
We don’t know that. Not trying to at least get a “real” conservative on the ballot smells a lot like pre-emptive surrender to me.
That’s for the post, quite a tactic to be advocating openly.
From the Ron Paul forum. Speaking of tools of the left.
http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/1888182/posts?page=328#328
Ron Paul doesn’t worry me. Some of his supporters do worry me.
Ron Paul’s supporters worry me. From the Ron Paul forum.
http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/1888182/posts?page=330#330
An unfortunate, and predictable fact of life. There are flakes, and freaks in all walks of life.
So you've never seen a picture of Stan Laurel? Might try looking at some here:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Stan_Laurel
It never ceases to amaze me how many people forget this basic fact.
If we lose this battle, NOTHING else matters
No, it’s just not ignoring the facts as they happen to exist.
I would agree that if 100% of “legal” voters actually voted, the nation would indeed shift hard to the right. But 50% don’t vote at all. The 50% who do vote, seldom pass an opportunity to vote themselves favor from the treasury.
Those seeking favor specifically, never pass an opportunity to vote and they never vote conservative.
Last, you and I disagree on what a “conservative” is. You believe that one must be an anti-war isolationist and a social liberal in order to be a “conservative.”
I believe that these conditions make one a “libertarian”, not a conservative.
Liberals and libertarians agree only on three things. Anti-war, pro-liberal social policies and anyone who doesn’t agree, is a neocon or Nazi.
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