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To: stand watie
the TRUTH is that neither lincoln (nor hardly anyone else, for that matter in 1861) CARED about slavery or "the plight of the slaves". period. end of story.

Apparently, recognizing the TRUTH is not among your greatest talents. For example, in his first debate with Stephen Douglas, Lincoln had this to say about slavery. The context is a quoted a speech of his, made in 1854, concerning the Kansas-Nebraska act:

... I hate it because of the monstrous injustice of slavery itself. I hate it because it deprives our republican example of its just influence in the world-enables the enemies of free institutions, with plausibility, to taunt us as hypocrites-causes the real friends of freedom to doubt our sincerity, and especially because it forces so many really good men amongst ourselves into an open war with the very fundamental principles of civil liberty-criticizing the Declaration of Independence, and insisting that there is no right principle of action but self-interest.

Pretty stout words, well before 1861. There's your "TRUTH," brother.

498 posted on 09/01/2007 11:43:30 AM PDT by r9etb
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To: r9etb; All
NOPE. it is called POLITICS. lincoln, like "wee willie klintoon", would SAY and/or DO anything to GET elected & GET AHEAD.

regardless of the "lincoln myth", lincoln was no better/worse than clinton as POTUS. he was simply a cheap, scheming politician. (NOTE: getting killed does NOT make you a saint. lincoln & jfk were BOTH UNworthy of the "secular sainthood" which the media placed upon their memory.)

NOTHING that would advance their WISHES, power and/or EGOMANIA was "out of bounds". NEITHER would tolerate disagreement with their demands. NEITHER tolerated criticism well (lincoln, for example, JAILED many newspapermen in a dungeon at Ft McHenry for publishing critical comments about him, without even the pretense of an indictment, warrant or trial. they were simply JAILED!)

the FACTS are that those two were the WORST presidents ever.

free dixie,sw

505 posted on 09/01/2007 12:06:54 PM PDT by stand watie ("Resistance to tyrants is OBEDIENCE to God." - T. Jefferson, 1804)
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