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To: cva66snipe
The north was as prejudiced as the south in some cases maybe more so. Despite all the horror stories you hear about the south, black and whites got along as good if not better than they did in the north.

Nobody much got along with anyone else up here.

But I was talking about basic civil rights -- the right to vote, the right to a fair trial, protection from mob violence, non-descrimination in public facilities and employment.

It's a hypothetical question, but do you really think we'd have come as far as we have if the Confederates had won?

But I remember the north had it's riots also. BTW that was before the ones in the 1960's began. Like the turn of the century perhaps or a decade or two afterward?

There were race riots during and after the first World War in Northern cities. What's curious is that people generally are aware of riots that happened in Chicago, Detroit or New York. For a long time, earlier race riots in Wilmington NC and Atlanta were forgotten.

But my point was that it's a mistake to pretend that it was only Lincoln or the Civil War or Reconstruction that complicated and embittered relations between Blacks and Whites. Even if Whites had fond feelings for specific African-Americans they knew, they resisted mixing and sharing power.

I suppose that was true in both North and South, but the ugly side was more pronounced in the South. Maybe that's because Blacks were more numerous in the South. Anyway, you have to take the good with the bad: close personal relationships, together with a good deal of oppression.

368 posted on 08/29/2007 3:56:13 PM PDT by x
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To: x
It's a hypothetical question, but do you really think we'd have come as far as we have if the Confederates had won?

A tough one but quite possibly yes. Some of the more radical groups formed after the war may have never taken hold. There were some owners pre war who were tyrants but that wasn't as much a black white issue more than it was a slave owner issue. The owner could have been black, white, or whatever. A lot of the slaves were considered family to the owners. When the war ended many returned to where they had lived. Many of the owners were destitute themselves at that point.

I live in a county that was a Union strong hold myself. Yet in the 1950's the high school was bombed because of a hand full of persons who did not speak for the majority. It was over forced integration. I have never though segregation was right and I'm old enough that as a kid I remember it. My wife who moved from this area in her childhood to within an hours drive of Greeneville, MS remembers it but she got along with black kids. Actually a black family lived on their property. That was in the 1950's BTW.

374 posted on 08/29/2007 7:25:05 PM PDT by cva66snipe (Proud Partisan Constitution Supporting Conservative to which I make no apologies for nor back down)
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To: x; All
fyi, DAMNyankeeland was/IS the most prejudiced part of America.

as the saying is:

in the south they don't care how CLOSE you are, as long as you aren't "too big". in the north they don't care how BIG you are as you aren't "too close".

btw, "x" when are you DYs going to get around to DESEGREGATING your "one-race schools"??? (should we send you some southern "freedom riders" to show you how to desegregate???)

laughing AT you, FOOL.

free dixie,sw

379 posted on 08/29/2007 8:46:11 PM PDT by stand watie ("Resistance to tyrants is OBEDIENCE to God." - T. Jefferson, 1804)
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