“Written, not Ratified”.
Now now MamaT you are all about citations and such. Please make your argument if you can that Madisons intent/explaination/justification re states rights at the time he wrote the letter to Jefferson were not carried out in the ratified document.
“No, you pinged me to a post that you had previously made on this thread where it stated:
nor did I know that in 1798, Madison had tried to explain to Jefferson that this was wrong. [my first post concerning Jefferson was in #1064]”
No, you said you were still looking forward to Madison’s explaination to Jefferson and I provided it.
“You brought Jefferson in, I did not”.
You are right, I don’t know why I did that. It was a letter from Madison TO Jefferson and you wanted citations to back up the author’s assertion that Madison told Jefferson he was wrong so Jefferson doesn’t really enter into it. But I did find the correct ref which you are dodging because the constitution hadn’t been ratified yet.
“Speaking of Jefferson, though, here’s his Resolutions Relative to the Alien and Sedition Acts”
Yep, Jefferson would be pratically the last person I’d cite next to maybe Patrick Henry who hated the constitution. Jefferson was a revolutionary and a good guy to turn to if you want to start a revolution. Not so good when it comes to forming a nation. Notice he wasn’t included in authoring the consitution. He went on though to do the Louisiana Purchase, the biggest federal fiat of the time. Jefferson was all about political expediency and his influence runs through the democratic party to this day. Not my favorite founder.
Why should I? You are the one who submitted Madison's preRadification letter as proof. You need to support it.
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But I did find the correct ref which you are dodging because the constitution hadn’t been ratified yet.
Dodging? Not hardly.
You first contention concerning Jefferson was:
Jefferson’s fundamental misunderstanding in the Kentucky Resolutions—which misled me, when I was young—was his premise that the Constitution is a sort of league between the states. When I first read the Resolutions, I did not understand this subtle point (nor did I know that in 1798, Madison had tried to explain to Jefferson that this was wrong.)
First off, was it 1798 or 1787? 1787 is that date at your source, but you state 1798 in the original post.
Secondly, how can Madison 'explain' something to Jefferson in a letter that was written years before Jefferson supposedly 'misunderstood'?
Thirdly, yes the time line of the Constitution does matter, just as the subject of the supporting documents does. Nowhere in this letter does Madison say anything about the States' ability to leave the Compact or that the Compact is an eternal contract.
Not to mention you've never provide Jefferson's assumptions that Madison is supposed to be refuting.
It can't be the Resolutions. We've both seen that they agreed.
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BTW, speaking of dodging-
Please point out the word permanent, perpetual, continual or any other synonym for eternity in the Constitution that shows that the ability of the federal government to prevent a State from leaving the Union at will is not one of the powers reserved to the States respectively, or to the people by the 10th Amendment.