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To: hocndoc
I read Dr. Pou's interview with Newsweek. It left me cold. Most unconvincing, especially her appeal to her faith.

So what if there was no electricity, no water, few batteries? I've been in such conditions and never thought of killing anybody. Many others have been in far worse conditions.

The Grand Jury did not "determine that no one murdered anyone." No grand jury does that. They just returned a "no bill" based on the evidence presented which did not include any of the medical experts whose opinions were the basis of the charges. Another grand jury could be empaneled and with the full range of available evidence return a "true bill" (that is not double jeopardy).

The reference to the morphine for the 90 year old woman is not the injections in question, IIRC. The injections in question were not documented in the medical charts IIRC. What is telling to me about that story is that they ran off that woman's daughter who is a nurse before they began administering these injections. Also, that the family would know things from the daughter/nurse that other families might now know -- such as there was nothing in particular about her mother that would explain her death or that she did not and would not have consented.

I question the expert pathologist report that morphine cannot be measured days after death. I call BS on that one. Such measurements must be done all the time. The other experts had no problem with the measurements that were obtained. If adjustments need to be made, I am sure that they are routinely done. And, of course, the lethal effect is not just the dose of morphine but the doses in combination with the Versed.

Based on a regular stream of information, I feel quite comfortable in my opinion that Dr. Pou killed these patients because she was asked to and expected to by hospital (Tenet) administration and because she really didn't think that this group of patients whom she had "reverse triaged" (her term -- "marked for death, my term) needed to go on living and this was the best chance anyone would have to make that happen.
70 posted on 08/26/2007 2:01:36 PM PDT by Iwo Jima ("Close the border. Then we'll talk.")
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To: Iwo Jima
“Based on a regular stream of information, I feel quite comfortable in my opinion that Dr. Pou killed these patients because she was asked to and expected to by hospital (Tenet) administration and because she really didn’t think that this group of patients whom she had “reverse triaged” (her term — “marked for death, my term) needed to go on living and this was the best chance anyone would have to make that happen.”

In other words, you’ve made up your mind, and no stinking facts are going to change it.

72 posted on 08/26/2007 2:09:58 PM PDT by Old Student (We have a name for the people who think indiscriminate killing is fine. They're called "The Bad Guys)
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To: Iwo Jima
re: So what if there was no electricity, no water, few batteries? I've been in such conditions and never thought of killing anybody.)))

You keep asserting intentional murder as if you were there and a witness, and you keep making arguments which assume intentional murder as a premise. The more reasonable ground is to take account of the horrific circumstances and at least give the medical personnel the benefit of a doubt before making such a serious accusation!

Maybe your juries are stupid, but Freepers aren't. Just because you keep crying wolf doesn't make you Little Red Riding Hood.

If you have very sick patients in a panic and very few resources (Oh, you say, but that's no excuse for murder!) the first line of treatment would be sedatives (Oh, Iwo says, but that's no excuse for murder!)--however, due to the loss of electricity you'd have lost the machine that administers the drugs (No excuse for intentional homicide!!!) and there was a great deal of terror and confusion (terror and confusion are no excuse to Massacre Mommy!!)...I'm not surprised that the patients rec'd less than optimal care.

People like you are a classic example of why doctors are tempted not to stop and render aid when they see a car accident happen...

81 posted on 08/26/2007 2:31:12 PM PDT by Mamzelle
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To: Iwo Jima
I'm sure that you've documented your medical treatment of ventilated patients in the dark. Wait, that would be patients who needed mechanical ventilation when there was no electricity to run the ventilators.

Here's another article that tells about the 2 nurses and another who testified. It tells about the testimony from the NO coroner, Minyard. (More from Minyard, here, who refused to make his legal determination that the patients died due to homicide because he said that no one could, due to the condition of the bodies which had remained in the hospital for 2 weeks before the coroner got them.)

Don't forget that one accusation came from the young, healthy male doctor who simply walked out of the hospital before the people he is accusing and lots of patients were evacuated. The coward sounded as though he was trying to justify his abandonment.

Craig Nelson used to say that Mrs. Nelson and the others hadn't been prescribed the meds at all by their docs, when Nelson says in today's article that his mother's regular doctor had written orders for 2 mg. morphine (with no frequency or actual cumulative dosing mentioned). I remember the news articles right after the hurricane: there's no way to blame the evacuation of Mrs. Nelson's daughter on some motive of the doctors.

151 posted on 08/26/2007 5:14:23 PM PDT by hocndoc (http://www.lifeethics.org/www.lifeethics.org/index.html)
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To: Iwo Jima
I feel quite comfortable in my opinion that Dr. Pou killed these patients

If that was her intent, and she administered 8 mg of MSO4 in order to accomplish her intent, she had a very poor understanding of drug the she administered.

183 posted on 08/26/2007 8:12:10 PM PDT by outofstyle (My Ride's Here)
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