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To: Greg F

“Your trepidation is misplaced. In fact, without Christians in politics you would not have the heritage of liberty at all. Natural rights stem from a belief that God grants the inalienable rights that we enjoy.”


Greg,

I’ve got no problem with Christians being in politics. I’ve got a problem with making politics a vehicle FOR Christianity....which is what alot of social conservatives seem bent on doing.

The Founding Fathers were wise enough to recognize that the Laws of God and the Laws of Man were entirely seperate spheres.... and new full well the dangers of trying to conflate the two.


333 posted on 08/22/2007 10:39:16 AM PDT by Grumpy_Mel (Humans are resources - Soilent Green is People!)
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To: Grumpy_Mel

The Founding Fathers certainly didn’t want Christian doctrine to be legislated, but they had no problem with leaving matters such as sodomy, abortion, pornography, and public nudity to the local or state governments and the voters.

The idea that such things are wrong and destructive is not unique to Christianity or to a particular denomination.

Bill Moyers has been ranting a lot against the Religious Right lately. To hear him speak, you’d think Thomas Jefferson would have supported a federal judicial edict protecting minor girls from having to inform their parents prior to a taxpayer financed abortion. The truth is, matters such as these were left to the states, localities, and voters for most of American history, with conservatism prevailing, and it never led to a theocracy or a Taliban state.


335 posted on 08/22/2007 10:50:16 AM PDT by puroresu
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To: Grumpy_Mel

Too conflated?

When in the Course of human events it becomes necessary for one people to dissolve the political bands which have connected them with another and to assume among the powers of the earth, the separate and equal station to which the Laws of Nature and of Nature’s God entitle them, a decent respect to the opinions of mankind requires that they should declare the causes which impel them to the separation.

We hold these truths to be self-evident, that all men are created equal, that they are endowed by their Creator with certain unalienable Rights, that among these are Life, Liberty and the pursuit of Happiness . . .

We, therefore, the Representatives of the United States of America, in General Congress, Assembled, appealing to the Supreme Judge of the world for the rectitude of our intentions, do, in the Name, and by Authority of the good People of these Colonies, solemnly publish and declare, That these united Colonies are, and of Right ought to be Free and Independent States . . . And for the support of this Declaration, with a firm reliance on the protection of Divine Providence, we mutually pledge to each other our Lives, our Fortunes and our sacred Honor.

I will say that you do not realize the danger to your own purposes in kicking the struts of your culture away. Without Christianity the West’s alternative culture is state supremecy and socialism. Look up Gramsci and see what the cultural marxists objectives and methods are . . . in truth, it is the secularists that endanger freedom, even those that are on the right, because they are the “useful fools” the left. You do not realize what the cultural fight is even about and where the danger lies if you have been bamboozled into fearing Christians in politics.


336 posted on 08/22/2007 10:55:00 AM PDT by Greg F (Duncan Hunter is the conservative in the race.)
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