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#####Our Constitution is a libertarian document#####

Well. as I said, it depends on one’s definition of libertarianism. It was designed to limit federal power, for example. That could be called libertarian, but it could also be called classical liberalism. It wasn’t libertarian in the modern sense, meaning repeal of sodomy laws or nude dance clubs held to be protected by the 1st Amendment from local regulation.

#####Are you saying that libertarians are homosexuals?#####

Uh, no. I’m saying that the idea that homosexuals have a right to parade down the street wearing g-strings and waving plastic penises around wasn’t supported by our Founding Fathers.

#####They did have sexual rights back then#####

So it was commonplace circa 1817 for government to provide 14 year olds with sexual instruction without parental knowledge or consent, and to keep parents in the dark about this because minor teens had “sexual rights”? What planet did this occur on, because it sure didn’t happen in the United States.

#####It was after the doomsday hysteria of 1833 that swept the nation#####

Ooookay, so if de Tocqueville had come to America before 1833, he’d have found a bunch of secular humanists having orgies?

#####And the former was dominated by libertarian and Deist thinking#####

Depends on your definition of libertarian, as I’ve already said. Some Founders were Deist, others weren’t. Madison thought our Constitution unfit for a population that lacked morality. History has shown him to be right.

#####Your view of early America seems to be derived from 1940s Hollywood movies#####

Sure.

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It wasn’t libertarian in the modern sense, meaning repeal of sodomy laws or nude dance clubs held to be protected by the 1st Amendment from local regulation.

Libertarians recognize the Law Of Unintended Consequences, exactly the same as in the old sense. You can't have your cake and eat it too...again, old sense. The only way to get rid of those perverts that you despise is to appoint an Emperor...Like Hitler or Mussolini. Libertarians would rather put up with the perverts than give up liberty.

I’m saying that the idea that homosexuals have a right to parade down the street wearing g-strings and waving plastic penises around wasn’t supported by our Founding Fathers.
Lol!!
No, they wouldn't have supported it but they would have left that decision up to you. If you want plastic penis waving old men wearing g-strings parading down your street...enjoy!

So it was commonplace circa 1817 for government to provide 14 year olds with sexual instruction without parental knowledge or consent, and to keep parents in the dark about this because minor teens had “sexual rights”?

Of course not. Schools belonged to the community back then. The parents were involved in the kid's education. The parents hired the teachers. They taught reading, writing and arithmetic.

Sexual rights?
I don't have a clue what you're talking about. Kids had the rights their parents gave them. If they wanted more rights they had to move out on their own, and many did.

Ooookay, so if de Tocqueville had come to America before 1833, he’d have found a bunch of secular humanists having orgies?

He would have found a bunch of people who were more concerned about survival than religion or philosophy. There's many rumors of Franklin's orgies but, if true, I doubt that Alex would have wanted to attend.

Some Founders were Deist, others weren’t. Madison thought our Constitution unfit for a population that lacked morality.
All Deists believe the same.

History has shown him to be right
History clearly shows the moral decline caused by disrespect for common law. That disrespect is caused by the erosion of liberty and that liberty has been eroded because government does not obey its own laws.
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