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To: puroresu
Brilliant! how you pretend not to know the different between "libertine", "social liberal", and "libertarian".

social liberalism has been accompanied by the rise of the all-encompassing nanny

As does social conservatism. It's all down to Two Concepts of Liberty

(Iasiah) Berlin distinguished between two forms or concepts of liberty - negative liberty and positive liberty - and argued that the latter concept has often been used to cover up abuse - leading to the curtailment of people's negative liberties "for their own good".

Negative and positive rights
Under the theory of positive and negative rights, a negative right is a right not to be subjected to an action of another human being, or group of people, such as a state, usually in the form of abuse or coercion. A positive right is a right to be provided with something through the action of another person or the state.

To state the difference more formally, if 'A' has a negative right against 'B' then 'B' must refrain from acting in a way that would prevent 'A' from doing 'x'. If 'A' has a positive right against 'B', then 'B' must assist 'A' to do 'x' if 'A' is not able to do 'x' without that assistance. For example, a negative right to life would require others to refrain from killing a person. A positive right to life would require others act to save the life of someone who would otherwise die.

Negative rights may be used to justify political rights such as freedom of speech, property, habeas corpus, freedom from violent crime, freedom of worship, a fair trial, freedom from slavery and the right to bear arms.
Positive rights may be used to justify public education, health care, social security or a minimum standard of living.

Social conservatives, like socal liberals, promote posive rights to help society - they both have good intentions that they know how to run peoples live.
286 posted on 08/22/2007 7:06:38 AM PDT by Oztrich Boy (Misanthropy is a much underrated vitrue)
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To: Oztrich Boy

Give me an example of a libertarian nation.


293 posted on 08/22/2007 7:27:43 AM PDT by puroresu
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