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Scientists hail ‘frozen smoke’ as material that will change world
The Sunday Times ^ | August 19, 2007 | Abul Taher

Posted on 08/19/2007 11:59:34 AM PDT by marvlus

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To: TrueKnightGalahad
RE: Probably...but will it core a apple? (If you know where that's from...you're old!)

Gadzooks, great minds do run alike!

And, yes... I am older than dirt!

41 posted on 08/19/2007 12:56:02 PM PDT by Bender2 (I'd feel a helluva lot better if just one of them had ever run for Country Sheriff.)
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To: Politicalmom
Is it hard or squishy?

It holds its shape, and doesn't wobble -- more like ultra-light styrofoam than jell-o. When you hold it in your hand, you have to keep your eye on it, because it doesn't weigh enough that you even feel it on your fingertips. It's the least dense solid yet discovered.

I don't know how much pressure it would take to mash it between your fingers -- the sample I got to hold didn't belong to me, so I couldn't try that. I believe that for insulation, you'd need to put it between two sheets of something rigid. Ditto to make it part of an armor system -- if you just painted it on vehicles in Iraq, I think it'd be sandblasted off in no time.

As another poster mentioned, NASA's stardust probe used blocks of aerogel to trap dust samples. It was the perfect medium to capture the particles without deforming them, and the trails they leave behind can be used to calculate their speed and direction when they hit.

I want to pump this stuff into my walls. :)

Oh, me too. Thing is, aerogels are not classified, and I the substance itself can't be patented, though manufacturing methods can. A search for {aerogel recipe} in Google yields plenty of hits -- but you can't just whip up a batch in your kitchen unless you have appliances that can crank out pretty extreme temperatures and, especially, pressures.

42 posted on 08/19/2007 12:56:11 PM PDT by ReignOfError
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To: gulfcoast6

I wonder if he has investments in this?


43 posted on 08/19/2007 12:57:48 PM PDT by papasmurf (<<<<< Click there to see my dogs! Oh, and I have FRed one liners, too.)
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To: CarrotAndStick

I suppose you’re now going to tell me that getting a fifty degree house up to sixty won’t take less time if I put the stat to ninety. Hah! ;)

I comfort myself reading all the comments on the original article page. As many agree with me as don’t.


44 posted on 08/19/2007 12:58:35 PM PDT by gcruse (Let's strike Iran while it's hot.)
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To: marvlus

thinking of 3-d displays at the moment...


45 posted on 08/19/2007 1:00:19 PM PDT by the invisib1e hand (Hate me, I'm white.)
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To: papasmurf

Most likely.


46 posted on 08/19/2007 1:01:11 PM PDT by gulfcoast6 (Tis a day the Lord hath made!)
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To: gcruse
“Earlier this year Bob Stoker, 66, from Nottingham, became the first Briton to have his property insulated with aerogel. “The heating has improved significantly. I turned the thermostat down five degrees. It’s been a remarkable transformation,” he said.”

As a commentor to the original article says, insulation doesn’t mean you can set your thermostat lower...

Depends on where and how accurate the sensors are. If a thermostat works ideally the way it's supposed to -- set a temperature, and the entire house is heated or cooled to that temperature -- then you're right.

My thermostat is in the hallway, near the center of the house -- as far as it can get from windows and exterior walls. In the rooms with windows and exterior walls, it's going to be cooler than in the hall. Improve the insulation on the exterior, and those rooms wil be closer to the temperature at the thermostat, and you can likely turn the heat down.

47 posted on 08/19/2007 1:03:07 PM PDT by ReignOfError
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To: ReignOfError
Is this for real? honest injun?
48 posted on 08/19/2007 1:03:25 PM PDT by gulfcoast6 (Tis a day the Lord hath made!)
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To: papasmurf
What Geruse said is correct. I just had this conversation the other day. The AC max output is max output, regardless of the insulation. Ontime cycle length is affected by the insulation. If your on-cycle is 100% with crappy insulation, with only semi-crappy insulation it will still be 100%, but the interior of the house will be a bit cooler.
49 posted on 08/19/2007 1:04:03 PM PDT by steve86 (Acerbic by nature, not nurture)
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To: marvlus

I read about this stuff back in the 80’s.


50 posted on 08/19/2007 1:05:17 PM PDT by Monitor (Gun control isn't about guns; it's about control.)
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To: marvlus

This stuff has been around for over a decade. If it hasn’t changed the world by now, it’s not going to.


51 posted on 08/19/2007 1:06:31 PM PDT by Moonman62 (The issue of whether cheap labor makes America great should have been settled by the Civil War.)
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To: papasmurf
What does it feel like?

Super-light styrofoam, basically. I handled it gingerly, and didn't poke or prod it, because I didn't want to risk damaging it -- it was a gift to a friend of mine from a friend at NASA. But I couldn't feel its weight in my hand. I had to keep an eye on it to make sure it was there.

52 posted on 08/19/2007 1:07:45 PM PDT by ReignOfError
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To: Robert A. Cook, PE

You are a comic genius. I bow to your superior talent.


53 posted on 08/19/2007 1:09:14 PM PDT by MNJohnnie ("Todays (military's) task is three dimensional chess in the dark". General Rick Lynch in Baghdad)
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To: Bender2
Gadzooks, great minds do run alike!

One of the amazing things about the gaggle of people who inhabit JimRob's house occurred to me when I discovered that often, when a completely off-the-wall comment springs to mind upon reading a story, I'll read further down and see that someone else already said it, and better, in the first handful of comments...it's nice to know there are so many twisted people here! :-)

54 posted on 08/19/2007 1:09:38 PM PDT by TrueKnightGalahad (Your feeble skills are no match for the power of the Viking Kitties!)
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To: ReignOfError

they should include a piece in every box of raisin bran!


55 posted on 08/19/2007 1:09:58 PM PDT by Freedom4US
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To: steve86; ReignOfError

ReignOfError has right. The differential between your room temperature and your thermostat reading depends on how far apart they are located. Ideally, the stat temp reads what the room does and insulation changes will be reflected in how often the AC or heater cycles. Changing the stat changes the room temp.

The differential comes in with open doors and windows, obviously. If the change in insulation were THAT significant, yeah, it would matter. Real world, I don’t see the differential being significant based on type of insulation.


56 posted on 08/19/2007 1:11:34 PM PDT by gcruse (Let's strike Iran while it's hot.)
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To: gcruse; CarrotAndStick; papasmurf; ReignOfError

A well insulated house has fewer drafts. A drafty house feels colder than one without drafts — therefore, you tend to turn the thermostat up.


57 posted on 08/19/2007 1:11:53 PM PDT by USFRIENDINVICTORIA
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To: marvlus
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58 posted on 08/19/2007 1:13:45 PM PDT by rahbert
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To: gulfcoast6
Is this for real? honest injun?

Yup. What I didn't know until i did a little reading just now is that there are a lot of flavors of aerogels -- silicon-based ones are the most common, but carbon-based and some metals-based.

Basically, an aerogel is a gel that has all the liquid removed, forming a substance that's 99% empty space with a strong, rigid crystalline structure. One company claims to have a new form of aerogel, which it has not yet published,that can support 10,000 times its own weight.

59 posted on 08/19/2007 1:14:12 PM PDT by ReignOfError
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To: gcruse
This thermostat location thing is an entirely separate issue from the one I was originally addressing.

My own house has an issue where the heat pump thermostat responds much more to the wall temperature than the air temperature; whereas humans generally are more cognizant of the air temp, although wall temps affect radiational cooling from your body.

60 posted on 08/19/2007 1:17:19 PM PDT by steve86 (Acerbic by nature, not nurture)
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