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The day reality hit home
http://observer.guardian.co.uk/print/0,,330595508-102280,00.html ^ | Andrew Anthony

Posted on 08/19/2007 8:18:23 AM PDT by ventanax5

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To: ventanax5

I’d prefer we pull back all over the world, re-develop our resources, close the borders, and tell the rest of the world, “Thanks for the fish.”


21 posted on 08/19/2007 9:21:02 AM PDT by OpusatFR
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To: ventanax5

“I have been wrong.”

That’s it? After all the evil you and others like you have reeked upon humanity, I have been wrong, is all you can come up with?

Words Fail.


22 posted on 08/19/2007 10:03:14 AM PDT by Nuc1 (NUC1 Sub pusher SSN 668 (Liberals Aren't Patriots))
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To: 2ndDivisionVet
You've got to give the guy a chance to change. He really did feel that way, but this is an essay about why being a liberal and having those views is dangerously mistaken. Here's the opener:

The writer Andrew Anthony was a committed member of the liberal left - until the attacks of 11 September, 2001. A veteran of CND and Nicaraguan solidarity campaigns, he was astonished at the liberal left's anti-American reaction.

And so he began to question other basic assumptions about race, crime and terror - a political journey he charts here, in these exclusive extracts from his compelling new book.

23 posted on 08/19/2007 10:09:45 AM PDT by GBA ( God Bless America!)
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To: agere_contra
Absent participation of the US in world war II, how long do you think it would have taken the Japanese Imperial Navy to destroy the Royal Navy and the Royal Air force with the help of the Luftwaffe? Pearl Harbor saved the world, make no mistake about it. After Dunkirk the Brit Army essentially had no weapons. And without us they would have had essentially no raw materials. If the Germans had crossed the channel they would have been finished. And all the Germans needed to cross the channel was the Japanese fleet, configured say like the one they sent to Midway. The Brits and the world can be glad the Japs got involved with us in the Pacific.
24 posted on 08/19/2007 10:13:37 AM PDT by Nuc1 (NUC1 Sub pusher SSN 668 (Liberals Aren't Patriots))
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To: 2ndDivisionVet; agere_contra
Not to mention 13 million Americans under arms, petroleum, tanks, ships, food, ammunition and etc... Remembering now?

Maybe the phrase "Over paid, over sexed, and over here" will jog his memory.

Who's your Daddy?

25 posted on 08/19/2007 10:14:43 AM PDT by null and void (I hate to suggest something this radical, but why not let the policy follow the facts? ~ReignOfError)
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To: Shadow Deamon
Yes, there is some hope. The more libs who are at least willing to question their emotionally based opinions and beliefs, the better.

The excellent men and women fighting for freedom, civilization and democracy in Iraq and Afghanistan represent us best and show the decency and the bravery, courage and sacrifice that are the basic goodness of Americans, in particular, Conservative Americans. Hearts and minds will be changed, despite the lies and deceit from the left in the MSM and elsewhere.

26 posted on 08/19/2007 10:15:13 AM PDT by GBA ( God Bless America!)
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To: OpusatFR

“I’d prefer we pull back all over the world, re-develop our resources, close the borders, and tell the rest of the world, ‘Thanks for the fish.’”

I’m with you. Give us 10 years to regroup and then let’s take a long hard look before we make the next move.


27 posted on 08/19/2007 10:18:45 AM PDT by toddlintown (Six bullets and Lennon goes down. Yet not one hit Yoko. Discuss.)
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To: toddlintown

IF they would leave us alone, I’d lean that way too.


28 posted on 08/19/2007 10:28:47 AM PDT by null and void (I hate to suggest something this radical, but why not let the policy follow the facts? ~ReignOfError)
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To: null and void

“IF they would leave us alone, I’d lean that way too.”

We could collectively put our fingers in our ears and go “Nah, nah, nah, nah, nah” real loud until they went away.

Hey, I’m willing to try anything while we regroup.


29 posted on 08/19/2007 10:34:43 AM PDT by toddlintown (Six bullets and Lennon goes down. Yet not one hit Yoko. Discuss.)
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To: Shadow Deamon
amazing awakening. refreshing and gives one hope. saving article for distribution to liberal guilty-feeling family members.
30 posted on 08/19/2007 10:39:44 AM PDT by cd jones (Liberals: spreading misery, calling it equality)
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To: ventanax5

I read all three parts and, if they’re representative of the whole book, it’s evident the author hasn’t recovered from his mental illness. Sure he offers a lot of biting commentary but has no ideas, let alone an agenda, for change.


31 posted on 08/19/2007 11:16:54 AM PDT by edsheppa
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To: edsheppa

bump


32 posted on 08/19/2007 1:41:16 PM PDT by Kay Syrah
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To: ventanax5

I’m glad this guy finally had this epiphany, but it seems that he has been beat about the head for years since 9-11 before he figured it out.


33 posted on 08/19/2007 5:27:03 PM PDT by pandemoniumreigns
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To: ventanax5

Very nice post. Clearly the loss of Faith as changed England in to everything that Orwell feared; a faceless and uncaring people the result of trust placed in the state and TAKEN from the people. - thanks again for your link on this.


34 posted on 08/19/2007 6:57:29 PM PDT by q_an_a
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To: pandemoniumreigns
I’m glad this guy finally had this epiphany, but it seems that he has been beat about the head for years since 9-11 before he figured it out.

I think that changing from a liberal to a conservative can take many years, and may require multiple muggings. As he says, "I viewed myself as understanding, and to maintain that self-perception it was imperative that I didn't try to understand myself." Liberals can waste huge amounts of time and energy in actively avoiding critical examination of their own beliefs and the consequences thereof. That is part of the paradox of the intelligent liberal. His intelligence is engaged to serve liberalism, not to serve intellectual honesty or morality. He is smart, but he is effectively dumb. It becomes a deeply engrained habit, hard to change.

35 posted on 08/19/2007 7:00:19 PM PDT by TChad
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To: TChad
Liberals can waste huge amounts of time and energy in actively avoiding critical examination of their own beliefs and the consequences thereof.
I just read Silent Partner, by Dina Matos McGreevey. Book details the excruciating consequences of marrying a charismatic "liberal," almost sight unseen. She had seen him, of course - had rolled in the hay with him in fact - but he was too busy being a mayor and running for office (and, beyond peradventure, having one-night stands with other men) to propose to her directly.

Like any ex-wife, she is brutal in her evaluation of her ex-husband - and the former Governor of New Jersey seems richly to deserve it. But the very last thing that would occur to Mrs. McGreevey is that she was blinded by "liberal" ideology so that the "good" that Jim McGreevey was doing for the downtrodden mattered more than the simple courtesy of a personal, intimate proposal of marriage. She bemoans the disrespect of her by McGreevey personally, but can't realize that homosexuality disrespects womanhood in general.


36 posted on 08/20/2007 11:04:24 AM PDT by conservatism_IS_compassion (The idea around which liberalism coheres is that NOTHING actually matters except PR.)
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To: ventanax5
Good. Another lifelong liberal wrapping his brain around reality.

David Horowitz's book, Radical Son, was the beginning of my political education. He had a similar epiphany with regard to his political leanings. It took him a few years to get it all worked out in his head and heart.

37 posted on 08/20/2007 11:08:22 AM PDT by TChris (The Republican Party is merely the Democrat Party's "away" jersey - Vox Day)
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To: alloysteel
The “danger of America” is a very real thing to many non-Americans out there in the world, if for no other reason than simple jealousy. How come Americans seem to do everything so well and easily? Pretty largely because it has been demonstrated that ingenuity, the method of solving problems, is not thwarted or heavily censured in America, unlike most of the rest of the world, which lives through an established oligarchy.
The preamble to the Constitution of the United States states:
We, the people of the United States, in order to form a more perfect Union, establish justice, insure domestic tranquility, provide for the common defense, promote the general welfare, and secure the blessings of liberty to ourselves and our posterity, do ordain and establish this Constitution for the United States of America.
"The blessings of liberty" include the freedom of entrepreneurs to develop, at their own financial risk, the businesses which have given the US its economic progress. But liberty also has a "curse" - the inequality of result which flows from equality of opportunity combined with inequality of effort and of vision. And even, sometimes, of luck. The worst curse of liberty is the fact that you have to accept responsibility for the fact that others may have been more successful than you have.

And the reality is that the reason for America's power lies precisely in those "blessings of liberty," and the reason for resentment of America lies in the "curse" of liberty - responsibility. Responsibility resented by Americans, but also resented by foreigners who know in their heart of hearts that the US Constitution has delivered on its promise, but who wish to evade the responsibility that knowledge entails.

I think you would enjoy The Americans - The National Experience by Daniel Boorstin. Fascinating discussion of the development of the US after the revolution and the Louisiana Purchase.


38 posted on 08/20/2007 12:55:47 PM PDT by conservatism_IS_compassion (The idea around which liberalism coheres is that NOTHING actually matters except PR.)
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To: Squantos; SLB; Tolik

This is a pretty interesting liberal epiphany.

If, as the old saw goes, “a liberal is a conservative who has been mugged”, this seems to be the documentation of that path for one liberal, post 9/11.


39 posted on 08/20/2007 3:56:04 PM PDT by FreedomPoster (Guns themselves are fairly robust; their chief enemies are rust and politicians) (NRA)
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To: conservatism_IS_compassion

Did she know that he was gay or bisexual when she married him? Did she intentionally enable his deception of the public?


40 posted on 08/20/2007 7:49:08 PM PDT by TChad
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