Posted on 08/04/2007 2:34:44 PM PDT by mmanager
Mitt Romney engaged in a heated discussion about his Mormon faith with a prominent Des Moines talk show host off the air on Thursday morning. The contentious back-and-forth between Romney and WHO's Jan Mickelson began on the air (video link courtesy Breitbart.tv) when the former governor appeared on the popular program that has become a regular stop for GOP presidential hopefuls. But the conversation spilled over to a commercial break and went on after the program ended, where a visibly annoyed Romney spoke in much greater detail about his church's doctrines than he is comfortable doing so in public.
The footage was captured by the station's in-studio camera and posted on its website. But Romney, who is careful to portray a sunny and upbeat public image, clearly did not know he was being recorded. The candidate reveals a private side that is at turns cutting, combative and sarcastic, but most of all agitated at being forced to defend what he and his church stand for.
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Yes we do, baroc HUSIEN obama.
What is this nation coming to? SHEEEEECH!!
Ooops! I stand corrected.
Very well.
The Straw Man fallacy is committed when a person simply ignores a person's actual position and substitutes a distorted, exaggerated or misrepresented version of that position. This sort of "reasoning" has the following pattern:
Person A has position X. [Religious attacks have no place in this News/Activism forum]
Person B presents position Y (which is a distorted version of X). [FC: "Truthfully, I think everyone who believes religion has NO place in politics should be banned, don’t you?"]
Person B attacks position Y [ FC: "Wouldn’t that be a de facto way of turning Free Republic into an atheist site?"].
Therefore X is false/incorrect/flawed. [FC: "Or is that what you want?"]
>>>But rewriting the Bible to include thousands of words not in the Hebrew is okay to a cult such as Mormonism. <<
Catholics have long held icons and relics of the saints to be holy. They have local saints. Patron saints of nations. Those who have followed Christ through time. Those who have been visionaries and carried messages from God. Their messages have been read by many who pray for their intercession.
Do you really think God gave up after the Council of Nicea?
Dare I say that your cult that stresses that divine revelation ends with the Bible is nonsense? I’m not even a Catholic, but I think their beliefs are vastly superior to those put forth by my own church in that arena.
Get over yourself and your holier-than-thou rubbish. A Catholic could just as easily attack your beliefs as being inferior, and an Orthodox Christian easily could dismiss your beliefs as a Johnny-Come-Lately half-breed.
They tend not to do that as of late. Lucky you.
An Evangelical Presbyterian.
I aint making up the white salamander:
Palmyra October 23d 1830
Dear Sir
Your letter of yesterday is received & I hasten to answer as fully as I can—Joseph Smith Jr first come to my notice in the year 1824 in the summer of that year I contracted with his father to build a fence on my property in the corse of that work I approach Joseph & ask how it is in a half day you put up what requires your father & 2 brothers a full day working together he says I have not been with out assistance but can not say more only you better find out the next day I take the older Smith by the arm & he says Joseph can see any thing he wishes by looking at a stone Joseph often sees Spirits here with great kettles of coin money it was Spirits who brought up rock because Joseph made no attempt on their money I latter dream I converse with spirits which let me count their money when I awake I have in my hand a dollar coin which I take for a sign Joseph describes what I seen in every particular says he the spirits are grieved so I through back the dollar in the fall of the year 1827 I hear Joseph found a gold bible I take Joseph aside & he says it is true I found it 4 years ago with my stone but only just got it because of the enchantment the old spirit come to me 3 times in the same dream & says dig up the gold but when I take it up the next morning the spirit transfigured himself from a white salamander in the bottom of the hole & struck me 3 times & held the treasure & would not let me have it because I lay it down to cover over the hole when the spirit says do not lay it down Joseph says when can I have it the spirit says one year from to day if you obay me look to the stone after a few days he looks the spirit says bring your brother Alvin Joseph says he is dead shall I bring what remains but the spirit is gone Joseph goes to get the gold bible but the spirit says you did not bring your brother you can not have it look to the stone Joseph looks but can not see who to bring the spirit says I tricked you again look to the stone Joseph looks & sees his wife on the 22d day of Sept 1827 they get the gold bible—I give Joseph $50 to move him down to Pa Joseph says when you visit me I will give you a sign he gives me some hiroglyphics I take then to Utica Albany & New York in the last place Dr Mitchel gives me an introduction to Professor Anthon says he they are short hand Egyption the same what was used in ancent times bring me the old book & I will translate says I it is made of precious gold & is sealed from view says he I can not read a sealed book—Joseph found some giant silver specticles with the plates he puts them in an old hat & in the darkness reads the words & in this way it is all translated & written down—about the middle of June 1829 Joseph takes me together with Oliver Cowdery & David Whitmer to have a view of the plates our names are appended to the book of Mormon which I had printed with my own money—space and time both prevent me from writing more at present if there is any thing further you wish to inquire I shall attend to it
Yours Respectfully
Martin Harris
“Get over yourself and your holier-than-thou rubbish.” I see, so opposing the fabricated rewrite of the Bible, by a proven liar, adulterer, and false teacher makes one rubbish in your earthly eyes. Thank you. I have not been paid so great a compliment before! There is none holier than Jesus. And Joe Smith wanted eyes on him and his fabrication. You accuse me of a holier-than-thou attitude for opposing heresy. Oh, wait! Yes, please do accuse, and in so doing identify yourself, physician. Jesus heals, satan destroys by disease of spirit. And your studies are for what purpose again?
Oh, I'm sure you're not making up the little critter. Because Mark Hofmann did.
You’ve been taken in as the folks who bought the forgeries were. BTW, welcome n00bie.
Please help me with this; if you believe in Christ and the holy spirit, why do you need silk under-garments to protect you?
I am not being a bigot as some MittBotts claim. It is a legitimate question.
As I started this thread, answer the question.
I was at one time a Mason. So was Smith. Understand Free Masonary and you understand many principles of LDS. I lived with Mormans for 21 yrs. Great people of the community,family values, great citizens of our country.
Why the MittBots get scunched up is beyond me. Sorta like CAIR.
Be open and disclose. It is a fair question.
Rudy won’t be talking about Catholicism anytime soon. He’s excommunicated himself on two counts. He refuses to answer any questions on his personal practice although I’m sure he doesn’t bother attending anymore. At least he knows he’s done wrong.
Okay, you get a point. That was legitimately funny :-)
...and statue worshippers. Sheesh, you're slippin' :-D
That's true. California will go to Rudy, Mitt or *shudder* HILLARY.
Tis true.
Mormons not Mormans
You can call yourself what you want. You are not deserving of the gift of salvation through Christ. And neither am I. And neither are Mormons. But Christ did indeed say, “Whosoever should believeth in me.”
I frankly don’t see any Mormons denying Christ. It is, indeed, the Church of Jesus Christ and Latter Day Saints.
But you, in your fringe faith that sees itself superior to that of others despite not popping up for at least 1400 years after the life of Christ, feel it within yourself to tear down another brother in Christ.
You may not buy into the message in the Book of Mormon, and honestly, I don’t, either. But that said, I’m fairly confident that Christ and God are far less concerned with hersey and far more concerned with the love and worship of the human soul through faith in Christ. Mormons read the Christian Bible just the same as you and I. And Catholics read the Apocrypha, which I’m guessing you don’t.
(Buys stock in Anderson Windows)
“Mormonism isn’t a nothing. But it’s not as big a something as you would have us to believe.”
Believe as you wish - I’d have it no other way.
However, I am telling you that evangelicals - the religious
right - will end up a split group over mormonism. Lose
5-10% who refuse to choose between two evils, and you lose
the election.
Faustian choice, Faustian result.
“If you’re going to list the petty voters who decide based on what they don’t like (lesser of two evils), then list more of them, not just the ones that favor your own prejudice.”
I do not know others issues enough to predict or fully
understand them. I’ll stick with what I know. You can imagine
what others may or may not think.
Nominating a mormon is one of the few ways republicans
could lose against hillary. No doubt they will manage more.
Even Clinton I was elected without a majority of voters.
Surely, hillary has that in mind and strategy. Since her
negatives are as high as the public feelings about mormons,
it would be a battle.
ampu
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