Do recall, Dear PB, that on a number of other threads over the ages, you make a point of bringing up your origins.
If that's not true, then how did I know it without you saying so? Hmmm? Are all of us "Klansmen" telepathic as well?
My but we do have all these amazing capacities.
But back to the main topic.
You posted a picture of an apparently "hispanic" (whatever that is) family contrasted with apparently non-hispanic whites, engaing in shall we say, regressive behaviors.
And I'm the guy engaging in negative stereotypes?
You have the gall to use demeaning visual images of non-hispanics and then get petulant with me when I toss it back at you?
Gosh, Poly, thought that manhood was supposed to be a big deal with y'all. Guess you're a bit touchy, huh?
Maybe...just maybe...it's all a facade.
But hey, that's a stereotype, right? And I'm a Bad Man for saying such a thing and making a tuff Navy Officer like yourself upset.
Please accept my heartfelt and gushing apology for upsetting your strong, virile and proud self image.
Like I said...Pobrecito.
Know what Poly? The part about the putas that really upsetcha?
It comes from a true story. I won't bore you with the gory details, but El Caudillo had quite a few on the side.
It's a family story. One of my first exposures to what I later came to find was a social norm in those societies. It's really too bad it had to happen to my aunt. She was naive, and really didn't understand what she was up against....men who have no real honor, only a cartoon version of it.
And are you going to stand there and deny that? Are you going to downplay Latin social regressiveness and pretend it never existed, or worse, say that it's better than astringent Anglo-Protestant norms?
If so, why do you believe that you can hold up your culture as being better, but lose your temper when you get ridiculed for that?
Gosh, there I go again...another stereotype. The Hot Latin.
So the point is, PB, that I think you're this: a shill for the ugly, exploitative, dehumanizing, crude, atavistic culture of Mexico and Latin America in general.
You post such images, and then later you make your Cuban ethnicity part of the thread. Always seems to run like that.
If that isn't true, how did I know it before you went down that road?
Just so we're clear here, PB. I think Latin America is an ugly disaster area. Unfortunately, I've been to many parts of it....the slums in Santo Domingo are truly appalling. See? Not just Mexico.
But as a nice girl from Merced once said to me....she went to that place Once, and had no intention of ever going back. Good idea. Stay out of dangerous places if you can.
I have every right and even a duty to criticize you, Latin America in general, the actions of Spain and its colonies in the Americas.
You want to use the Leftist tactic of calling that "hate" and trying to silence me that way, you go right ahead. But I don't know anyone on the real Right who buys that idea. It's just flat race baiting and Bolshevik political correctness. Can't take the heat? You know the answer.
Want my unvarnished opinion? Obviously not, but here it is anyway:
Latin American "conservatism" may superficially resemble American social conservatism, but it's meaningless to say that. Most societies beyond the remnant primitive cultures on the planet have the same features: long term monogamy, established religions, cultural and class segmentation.
The "Conservatism" of Latin America is regressive, as it merely recycles feudalism and uncritical patriarchy, leading to gross class divisions. And it does so along racial lines, to make things even worse.
This has Nothing to do with Anglo-American classical liberalism. In fact, it stands in stark contravention to it. Any rational observer would compare the two - Spaniard / Mestizo culture and Anglo-American culture - and not only reject the first, but be appalled at its outcomes.
I need not catalog all the places one can go to verify this. It would be list that takes up volumes.
I think that the "Right wing" in Latin America may be against Communism, but to me, that doesn't equate it with the Right in the United States. At least in Spain they called themselves what they were: Fascista.
I think that would be your political roots. The party of Franco, authoritarian, anti-majoritarian, revanchist, stubborn and unchanging, economically inefficient and inert, unequal and oppressive: fascist.
As I said a number of posts back, this culture has roots millennia old. But that doesn't legitimize it, or its methods like the Encomienda.
And as I look to my own history, and the history of my country, I find nothing that connects your culture and history to ours except conflict between the two.
And yet you tell me it's "hate" to criticise you, to lampoon you, lest you be humiliated unjustly.
Poor, pitiful you. So proud. So vain. So...obsessed with yourselves.
So obsessed with your own dysfunctionality that you pour into this country as your own countries collapse into doctrinaire totalitarianism as a reaction to your atavism, and then demand that we ignore the failings that led to such diasporas and adopt them as equal to our own cultural norms.
Such a thing could only be described as insanity. Would you visit an asylum and act like the inmates?
So I don't intend to go along with your cheap attempts at coercion, I will continue to criticise Latin cultural norms, and even ridicule the water carriers for such dysfunctional social ideas. Like you.
As mthom put it, what's your message? If we just import all of Mexico, we'd all be more hard working and moral?
If so, Poly....why does Mexico...and Colombia...and Venezuela....and Bolivia....and Argentina...and Nicaragua...and Panama....and El Salvador...and Guatemala...and Costa Rica....and Brazil....and the Dominican Republic....and even Cuba....look the way they do?
When you can honestly answer that, maybe I'll stop using vernacular and generally disrespecting your tripe. Before that....forget it, Caudillo Man.
Do recall, Dear PB, that on a number of other threads over the ages, you make a point of bringing up your origins. If that's not true, then how did I know it without you saying so? Hmmm? Are all of us "Klansmen" telepathic as well? Dear, Regulator.
Yes, I have brought up my ethnic origin on a number of threads. Are we “Eeeespannics” (your phrase) never supposed to do that? Are we Americans of “Eeeeepannic” descent supposed to never say we are Hispanic because we are less American than you simply because we are of “Eeeespannic” descent?
Are we Cubans that were born in Cuba, came to the U.S., served and bled in the U.S. Armed Forces in the very first generation and became quite successful in the U.S. not just as much a part of American History just as the first generation Irish that fought for America in the Irish Brigade?
Are we “Eeeespannics” supposed to just take it when you post on Free Republic that a Hispanic woman (with obvious Mexican mestizo racial features) pictured at a First Communion at a Catholic Church should be asked if “her husband has putas on the side” simply because she is Hispanic?
Should we ask black American women at a Baptist Church "if their husbands have hoes on the side" simply because they are black?
I often mention other ethnic groups that contributed to what is now America. I have posted about the Buffalo Soldiers, the Irish Brigade, the Navajo Code Talkers, the Cajuns, the Jewish immigrants, the Japanese Americans units in World War Two, Southerners and even the Scots and the Scots-Irish of your own ethnic heritage.
The difference is that I celebrate their contributions to American History and do not spew out hate against those groups simply because of their ethnicity.
On one Civil War thread, I posted Robert E. Lee’s comment that the Scots-Irish were among the best soldiers he had.
Americans of Scots-Irish descent, Southern descent, Cuban descent, Irish descent, Cajun descent, Polish descent and Jewish descent are all as American as Motherhood, Apple Pie and Joe DiMaggio ...... and Pizza and Scottish bagpipers in kilts at a Fourth of July Parade.
A “Klansman” hates O.J. Simpson not only because he is a murderer but also because he is black. A “Klansman” hates mobster Meyer Lanky not only because he was a criminal but also because he is Jewish. A “Klansman” hates an illegal alien not only because he is a criminal but also because he is, in your phrase, “Eeeespannic”.
In this thread, with weapons-grade sarcasm icons, I turned your slurs against “Eeeespannics” around and mocked reverse bigotry against “Anglos” to try to make you see how foolish such generalizations were but even that had no effect on you.
Only when your conduct was illustrated on a current thread about how Free Republic is now being accused in the national media about being a “hate site” do now begin to mellow a little bit.
Here are some responses in that thread so far:
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To: Polybius
Wow. I’m not familiar with your argument, but you just did a very good job defending your case.
361 posted on 07/30/2007 10:22:04 PM PDT
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To: Polybius; Jim Robinson
Holy Smokes! I missed that one but you are clearly correct. Thank you for your service to our country! Especially thanks for su Tio attempting to free his Cuban homeland from the Socialist plague and then his valiant sacrifice to his adopted country!
368 posted on 07/30/2007 11:04:24 PM PDT
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To: Polybius
Oh yea....that one needs a zoting for sure.
370 posted on 07/30/2007 11:24:51 PM PDT
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To: Polybius
Hear! Hear! Thank you! 374 posted on 07/31/2007 12:49:56 AM PDT