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Stuffing prisons with black men is not the way to reduce crime
Philadelphia Inquirer ^ | 07/24/07 | Harold Jackson

Posted on 07/24/2007 6:27:58 PM PDT by Kid Shelleen

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To: ladyjane

The black community is exactly whom it was directed at. No other culture that i’m aware of talks about 1964. You have any examples of the Asian Panthers, or Mexican Crips and Bloods being active at this time?


101 posted on 07/24/2007 8:25:10 PM PDT by eyedigress
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To: Kid Shelleen

Not committing crimes is usually a good way to stay out jail, no matter what color you are. I’ve found that the thought of Big Bubba doing unspeakable things to me if I was in jail, is a good deterrent. Of course, there are people wrongly convicted in jail, but what to do about that. I don’t know.


102 posted on 07/24/2007 8:30:17 PM PDT by FlyVet
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To: Kid Shelleen
Stuffing prisons with black men may not be the best way to reduce crime, but stuffing the prison GRAVEYARDS with black, white, brown, and yellow executed murderers would be a good start on finding a way.

In the 1900-1910 decade when capital punishment was routinely carried out on convicted murderersshortly after the sentence was pronounced, the US murder rate was less than 1 per 100,000 population. 90 years later when first offender murderers were usually released on parole after serving just over 9 years on average, the US murder rate was approximately 8.9 per 100,000 population.

The per capita murder rate has dropped since the late 1990s, IMHO due at least partly to the enactment of shall issue CCW laws in most states, but is now beginning to show signs of a resurgence. I believe that reinstating the normal 1900 practice of capital punishment for 1st degree murderers would bring the US murder rate down to at least 1/2 of what it is now, and probably even less.

BTW, it's interesting that Washington D.C., where handguns are in effect totally banned and long guns are not allowed to be kept assembled, the per capita murder rate is approximately 35 time higher (69 vs 2.3 per 100,000) than in Switzerland where both handguns and long guns are legal for any law abiding Swiss citizen to own and keep in his/her home and vehicle, and regular target practice with military type firearms is encouraged by the state. The NYC rate is about 7 times higher than that of the Swiss, and the Chicago rate is approximate 10 times higher. In NYC, for all practical purposes the average citizen who is not either rich, somehow connected to a high ranking politician, or a celebrity can not obtain a permit to legally possess a handgun even in his/her home, and it is very difficult for him/her to legally possess a shotgun or rifle. Chicago bans all handguns that were not registered to the current owner prior to a certain date, IIRC it was some year in the mid-1970s but I could be off by a few years either way.

103 posted on 07/24/2007 8:30:46 PM PDT by epow ( "The more guns you take out of society the fewer murders you will have" Rudy--6/20/00)
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To: Kid Shelleen
There could be several reasons why black folks are more likely to be jailed in Iowa.

1) Blacks don’t have the smarts to get away with doing certain crimes.
2) There are too many blacks in Iowa and state residents want to keep them all together making it easier to watch over them.
3) Black males don’t want to pay alimony and child support for all their girlfriends and bastard kids.
4) Drugs are easier to get while in prison.

As I said, they are an assortment of reasons why Blacks are in prison.

104 posted on 07/24/2007 8:31:00 PM PDT by antiunion person (I vote letting the general public have open season on what is under turbans)
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To: wardaddy

The last thing Jesse Hijackson and Al Notsosharpton want is responsible black dads and moms, they’d be out of business!


105 posted on 07/24/2007 8:32:43 PM PDT by AngelesCrestHighway
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To: #1CTYankee

“Didn’t the Beaver usually try to blame it on Larry?”

Yes, but Beaver had a Ward to set him straight.

And therin lies the key difference.


106 posted on 07/24/2007 8:35:21 PM PDT by EyeGuy
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To: antiunion person

I take “c”


107 posted on 07/24/2007 8:35:35 PM PDT by eyedigress
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To: Kid Shelleen

http://www.wptv.com/mostpopular/story.aspx?content_id=8832c0b3-104b-4d85-aa74-b02c3cb47029


108 posted on 07/24/2007 8:49:07 PM PDT by struggle ((The struggle continues))
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To: pgkdan

“Sad to say but they’re (black males) the ones committing the vast majority of violent crimes in this country. I live in Tidewater VA and last year 92% of all murders committed in Norfolk VA were committed by black males...and the numbers are the same or higher in the other cities in the area.
Change black culture. Change the culture that glorifies the thug life and denigrates respectability. Change the culture that shirks manly responsibility and encourages young black men to impregnate as many young women as are willing to let them. We don’t need to change white culture and our attitudes towards blacks...you need to change the reality that breeds that attitude.”


Yes, we need to just understand them.

These people are doing the crimes that (white) Americans won’t do, sorta like the Mexicans who do the work that Americans won’t do. s/off


109 posted on 07/24/2007 8:54:11 PM PDT by Rembrandt (We would have won Viet Nam w/o Dim interference.)
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To: IronJack
The writer of the original article compares the statistics to the total population of the state instead of the total population of those who commit crimes. Problem there is that the whole population is not commiting the crimes!
110 posted on 07/24/2007 8:54:42 PM PDT by elephantlips
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To: epow

“BTW, it’s interesting that Washington D.C., where handguns are in effect totally banned and long guns are not allowed to be kept assembled, the per capita murder rate is approximately 35 time higher (69 vs 2.3 per 100,000) than in Switzerland where both handguns and long guns are legal for any law abiding Swiss citizen to own and keep in his/her home and vehicle, and regular target practice with military type firearms is encouraged by the state. The NYC rate is about 7 times higher than that of the Swiss, and the Chicago rate is approximate 10 times higher. In NYC, for all practical purposes the average citizen who is not either rich, somehow connected to a high ranking politician, or a celebrity can not obtain a permit to legally possess a handgun even in his/her home, and it is very difficult for him/her to legally possess a shotgun or rifle. Chicago bans all handguns that were not registered to the current owner prior to a certain date, IIRC it was some year in the mid-1970s but I could be off by a few years either way.”

Great stats and great info. And, amazingly, none of what you said required the mention of any race! How refreshing.


111 posted on 07/24/2007 9:08:42 PM PDT by Rembrandt (We would have won Viet Nam w/o Dim interference.)
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To: Kid Shelleen

All the Black Men criminals ought to be brought to Harold Johnson’s house.


112 posted on 07/24/2007 9:25:09 PM PDT by Jabba the Nutt (Just laugh at them!)
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To: AngelesCrestHighway

that is true but they are pilot fish not the cause.....the cause is cross cultural tolerance and even celebration in some quarters

this would have never been tolerated by any race in America before the Great Society


113 posted on 07/24/2007 9:55:05 PM PDT by wardaddy (multiplier)
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To: Pappy Smear

Rock is sorta funny but very much in the blacks are victims of the man mindset.....a liberal....and then some

Spike Lee with a sense of humour

nice moniker btw


114 posted on 07/24/2007 9:57:51 PM PDT by wardaddy (multiplier)
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To: Kid Shelleen

If blacks are over-represented in prisons its because reproduction has become a hobby instead of a responsibility.
More black “youths” wind up prodcuing illegitimate children than any other ethnic group in America. Most often these individuals grow up with no family, no parental supervision, no morals, no self-respect, no respect for other people, and no goals in life. The result - they wind up commiting crimes because that is all they have been programmed to do.

And guess what? Chances are they will repeat the cylce and produce more like themselves.

If our prisons are too crowded, its because being there is preferable to being in a productive job.

As Sherman once said war is hell and by making it so, we can reduce suffering and end it quicker.

If prisons became penal colonies again instead of feel-good gardens for sociologists, we would have less convicts to house of all races.

Ask Joe Arapayo.


115 posted on 07/24/2007 10:04:09 PM PDT by ZULU (Non nobis, non nobis Domine, sed nomini tuo da gloriam. God, guts and guns made America great.)
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To: Kid Shelleen

Choosing to live a life of crime is no way to stay out of prison.


116 posted on 07/24/2007 10:11:26 PM PDT by Old Landmarks (No fear of man, none!)
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To: JustaDumbBlonde

He’s right, we shouldn’t be stuffing prisons, the convicts should be outside, getting some exercise, fresh air and sunshine...on a chain gang.


117 posted on 07/24/2007 10:39:35 PM PDT by skepsel
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To: Kid Shelleen

FR *bookmark*

“Peck’uhwoood ,.. pinkass crack’uh!” [/srcsm]


118 posted on 07/24/2007 11:10:03 PM PDT by Dad yer funny (FoxNews is morphing , and not for the better ,... internal struggle? Its hard to watch)
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To: Kid Shelleen

LOL, typical drek from the Stinky.
The prisoners should be turned loose - - in the author’s neighborhood.


119 posted on 07/24/2007 11:12:44 PM PDT by Lancey Howard
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To: ladyjane

The Great Society helped NOBODY except the Federal Government.


120 posted on 07/24/2007 11:18:47 PM PDT by Clemenza (Rudy Giuliani, like Pesto and Seattle, belongs in the scrap heap of '90s Culture)
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