Posted on 07/23/2007 10:48:39 AM PDT by AuntB
thank you
Thanks for the link, we’ll have to watch to see how that hearing came out.
You are most welcome.
According to the President of the San Francisco Federal Reserve, the economy in February 2001 was "It’s hard to find a word to sum up the U.S. economy’s performance during this expansion. Remarkable? Astounding? Phenomenal? Well, it has been all that–and more."
According to him, the period between 1991 and 2000 was the longest expansion in U.S. history. The previous five years had a real GDP of over 4 percent. The fed started raising interest rates in 1999 to slow the growth of the economy to control inflation.
Where did you read that Bush inherited a poor economy?
Then so did Reagan, Bush Sr. and Clinton (and other Presidents before them).
He has ruined every chance he had to make his legacy great.
Reagan gave amnesty to the illegals. Do you consider his legacy to be ruined or great?
Agreed. Same could be said for former Presidents, but they didn't address it either. In fact, Reagan granted amnesty to illegals - and look at the place he holds in the hearts of conservatives.
His failure to secure our borders, including setting in place a system to track and deport visa overstays, violates the responsibilities of his office
Then I guess Reagan violated the responsibilities of his office as well. . .right?
I'm not saying the problem shouldn't be addressed. I have worked hard at trying to bring this issue to the attention of the President and my Congress critters. But Bush didn't start this problem, and he's not the only President that did things to make the problem worse. And yet, he seems to be getting all the blame from some here on FR, and that's just silly.
There have been terror attacks for a long time. 9/11 wasn't the first.
It's all Reagan's fault - he granted amnesty.
:::sarc in an effort to show how silly it is to pin it all on one guy:::
I don't disagree, but terrorist attacks occurred before 9/11, both here and abroad. There was no excuse for it to stand then, either.
Yes, his granting of amnesty was a mistake and his failure to secure our borders afterwards helped create the current problem of 12 to 20 million illegal aliens. The big difference is 9/11, which has raised the importance of this issue to a different level. We suffered more casualties on 9/11 than we did during Pearl Harbor.
But Bush didn't start this problem, and he's not the only President that did things to make the problem worse. And yet, he seems to be getting all the blame from some here on FR, and that's just silly.
9/11 changed the equation. Four of the 9/11 hijackers were visa overstays, i.e., illegal aliens. We still have not established a system to track down and deport visa overstays. And the FBI has apprehended ME terrorists coming across the Mexican border. If this country is hit again with a 9/11 scale attack and it is found that they were visa overstays or entered illegally from Mexico or Canada, then the President must accept the blame. It has been almost 6 years since 9/11 and we still have not secured our borders.
So did Reagan - he granted amnesty to illegals which contributed greatly to opening the floodgates.
It is this act which is most directly responsible for the all-out assault on our borders and the sub-prime lending debacle currently unfolding.
I believe it all started with Reagan's granting of amnesty.
No president before him has done more to sell out America than George W. Bush.
I disagree. I think the granting of amnesty by Reagan played a huge role in the problem we have today.
I think Reagan was one of our greatest Presidents, but his granting of amnesty was the biggest mistake he made. Interesting that I never see anyone on FR carrying on about that.
If you believe that 9/ll was just another attack in a long series of attacks, you are living on a different planet. We suffered more casualties than at Pearl Harbor and it was on our home territory, not on a possession as wads the case of Pearl Harbor or the Japanese attacks on Alaska. If this nation is hit again by a terrorist WMD attack, i.e., nuclear, biological, or chemical, then Bush will be responsible, not Reagan.
September 11, 2001.
Not only did he cave to big-business and liberal democrats like Ted Kennedy, Reagan also dropped the ball on enforcement. Gee, what a surprise? The GOP refuses to enforce the law. This is news?
But, Reagan didn't sign an agreement with Mexico to formally encourage illegal immigration as Bush has done. Reagan didn't bring banks together with the Mexican government by placing bank employees in Mexican consulates (in Mexico) to guide the potential border-jumpers on how to obtain US bank accounts, auto and home loans. Reagan didn't change the banking rules to allow these border-jumpers to obtain US bank accounts, auto home loans using only a Matricular Consular card for ID and an income tax return as proof of employment. In Reagan's time, one needed a valid SSN to obtain a (legal) job, bank account or loan. Thanks to Bush, this has changed.
Neither did Reagan sign a Social Security Totalization Agreement with Mexico that gives Mexican illegal aliens and their families back home access to US Social Security benefits for the time they worked illegally in the USA.
Reagan also didn't order the border patrol to stand down on internal enforcement as Bush has done.
I disagree. I think the granting of amnesty by Reagan played a huge role in the problem we have today.
Okay. Reagan started it. Bush made it worse. Happy now?
Interesting that I never see anyone on FR carrying on about that.
What has Bush done to reverse what Reagan did wrong? The answer is 'nothing'.
The real question is when are you going to start holding Bush responsible for his actions instead of excusing them simply because Reagan did it first?
Perhaps, but the amnesty he granted played a huge role in making it the all consuming issue that it is now.
He had his hands full bringing down the Soviets and undoing the damage to the economy of the carter years with a demon666rat dominated congress behaving badly as ever.
Bush has his hands full with 9/11, fighting in Iraq and Afghanistan, dealing with a downed plane in China, dealing with N. Korea, Iran, Syria and Lebanon, fighting to keep the tax cuts againsts the Dems, fighting against the Dems to keep our soldiers funded, fighting for nominees he's named for various posts, etc etc etc. Presidents are always busy. Doesn't excuse Reagan's error in granting amnesty.
Those things occurred before Bush took office as well. If you want to fault Bush on this issue, then you must also fault Reagan and Bush Sr. (Reagan especially, since he granted the amnesty which played a big role in the increase in illegal immigration.)
There is no difference. They are all responsible for the mess we have today.
There were terror attacks both here and abroad before Bush took office. Also, Reagan had the issue of Russian spys who would have liked nothing better than to harm the U.S. because of the pressure Reagan was putting on the USSR. So he had real reason to close the border - but didn't.
9/11 changed the equation.
Meaning Bush gets all the blame that should be shared by former Presidents?
Four of the 9/11 hijackers were visa overstays, i.e., illegal aliens.
Yep. And people overstayed their visas under former presidents as well.
By the way, your comment implies that the other hijackers were legal immigrants. So what is your proposal there - stop all legal immigration as well?
Yep, we did - primarily because the buildings collapsed. I'm not making light of 9/11, but we've had other terrorist attacks. It is only by the grace of God we haven't had more casualties during those attacks.
If this nation is hit again by a terrorist WMD attack, i.e., nuclear, biological, or chemical, then Bush will be responsible, not Reagan.
If the people who do it are citizens, then what? Would you still blame Bush? If so, why?
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