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1 posted on 07/23/2007 10:47:03 AM PDT by newgeezer
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If you wish to mount a jihad against those who have high-jacked the responsible black man (I would suggest Floyd Patterson above Jackie or Curt), then start taking on the gang-like head scarves the black NFL players STILL INSIST on wearing. What kind of role model is that.

The NBA players are hardly role models as well — the PGA donates more to charity than the NBA. The NBA just flaunts their community service — you don’t endless public service spots on the PGA, or baseball — compared to the NBA self-glorification.

Gangsta Rap doesn’t lead - it reflects what is already accepted, ie., the rotten culture that’s out there.

Bill Cosby is a lone (black) voice in the wilderness. Juan Williams likes to quote him, but in actuality gives Cosby lip service regarding his own behavior. He’s a shill for the community.

Why am I not surprised by the Michael Vick situation.

42 posted on 07/23/2007 11:28:57 AM PDT by detch
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You often hear that the White man is just tearing another successful Black man down. It sounds like the Black community should shoulder more of the blame than the perceived White devil.
48 posted on 07/23/2007 11:44:45 AM PDT by WesternPacific
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The author used ‘african-american’ only once in the article. Pretty amazing in its ownself.


49 posted on 07/23/2007 11:46:30 AM PDT by gcruse (Let's strike Iran while it's hot.)
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Mike Vick and others like him are stars from the time they are 10 years old. These guys are gifted and get everything handed to them. No discipline because family wants a cut and their yes men friends want a cut and invited to the party.

Who is Mike Vicks dad? Anyone? Did Vick grow up with coaches who act like dads (but really, how far will you go when your whole team is centered around one player?)

51 posted on 07/23/2007 11:57:36 AM PDT by normy (Don't hit at all if it is honorably possible to avoid hitting; but never hit soft.)
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Hip hop culture is just a symptom, it’s not the disease. The real problem here is a society that refuses to police itself. It celebrates reprobate and villifies the truly good. We are no longer allowed to judge and condemn the errant. It’s not their fault. They’re just a product of a fatherless home, racism, homophobia, islamaphobia, depression, anxiety, ADD, ADHD, poverty, inattentive mother, overbearing mother, too much TV violence, too many video games, cigarettes, trans-fats, lead paint, Alar poisoning, global warming, clergy abuse, bad schools, open borders or George Bush. Name a discretion, they’ve got an excuse. No one is accountable; no one deserves reproach. Walk into any shopping mall in any city in America and you are assaulted with language once reserved for the lowliest of sailors. And it’s coming from all ages and colors and no one even bats an eye. Hip hop is only a problem because we tolerate it, just like the potty mouths at the mall. Michael Vick is not a victim of hip hop; he’s just another example of turinng a blind eye to a problem, He was low-rent before he became a star, and continued to be low-rent after. Music and culture had nothing to do with his problem. He made a decision and no one called him on it; agents, managers, owners, teammates, or the press. Now he is paying a price in the legal system. How long before we hear what his excuse is? Who will be the first to jump to his defense.


57 posted on 07/23/2007 12:05:45 PM PDT by danno3150
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Want to stop this then cut off the money supply. Boycott the NFL, NBA, etc. I haven't watched the NBA for about 20 years and have added the National Felon's League a few years back.
58 posted on 07/23/2007 12:05:54 PM PDT by SgtSki
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The ultimate symbols of black athletes in our society used to be men of substance and positive image. Men with social conscience and resolve such as Jackie Robinson, Curt Flood, Jim Brown, ..

Gale Sayers, Walter Payton, Willie Stargell...

60 posted on 07/23/2007 12:09:26 PM PDT by B-Chan (Catholic. Monarchist. Texan. Any questions?)
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I note Mr. Burwell does not mention OJ as a black hero of old.


65 posted on 07/23/2007 12:20:31 PM PDT by edsheppa
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This battle is over, and the thugs won. How do I know? Because white kids are emulating them.


66 posted on 07/23/2007 12:24:26 PM PDT by DesScorp
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It’s going to be interesting to check the money/timeline when this all got started.

The indictment starts out “Early 2001”, “May 2001”, “June 2001”. So this looks like it could have all began while Vick was in the spring semester at VT before he left school.

Those dates are before he was drafted by Atlanta. But I’m sure he had signed many lucrative endorsement contracts. And/or had a couple “personal” loans from other folks.

And another thing... it’s not hard for me to understand how someone can do these things to a dog....when he’s already admitted to knowingly giving herpes to at least one woman.

(Can anyone get ahold of a cache from VicksK9Kennels.com )


73 posted on 07/23/2007 12:38:45 PM PDT by Canali
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Sometimes you just can't take the 'hood out of the boy.

Marcus Vick has had his share of "unfortunate" incidents, as well.

75 posted on 07/23/2007 12:42:55 PM PDT by GSWarrior
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Of course, whites flocking to The Soprano’s, tatoos and Harleys are how much better?


83 posted on 07/23/2007 12:54:54 PM PDT by fso301
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Do we dare explore how a young man of such unique athletic gifts and such obvious on-field marketing

The "young man"(vick) is the freakin devil from hell. Big deal, he can throw a ball. I pray that devil vick gets back exactly what he gave all those pathetic dogs. Then I hope he burns in hell.

87 posted on 07/23/2007 12:57:51 PM PDT by GinaLolaB
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Fortunately, not everyone is buying into this nonsense. We're at war, and we have identified the enemy. "We have to start making sure folks understand who the 'Toms' really are," says my man on the other side of the state, Kansas City Star columnist Jason Whitlock. "It's the gangsters on the corner who are killing black folks. It's the idiots who are on TV rapping about it and glorifying it. We have to make black people understand those are the real sellouts, not the ones who refuse to accept it."

Ah, if it were only that easy. But the whole "gangsta" thing is just another symptom of a deeper cultural mess.

92 posted on 07/23/2007 1:05:05 PM PDT by r9etb
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He hasn’t been convicted yet. At the risk of sounding racist, if they have nine blacks on the jury like they did in the O.J. Simpson case, forget getting a conviction.


94 posted on 07/23/2007 1:17:10 PM PDT by no dems (Dear God, how long are you going to let Ted Kennedy, Robert Byrd and John Conyers live?)
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allowed to turn into ...find himself on the verge ..."

As if Vick had nothing to do with it.

105 posted on 07/23/2007 1:59:35 PM PDT by Huck (Soylent Green is People.)
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bump


128 posted on 07/24/2007 6:04:08 AM PDT by Vinomori
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Stereotypes come around because of some truth. Here is a man that makes millions playing football but he wants to be a thug and many blacks have pit bulls as a status symbol.


141 posted on 07/24/2007 6:41:03 PM PDT by lndrvr1972
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