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The ATF & me [sic]
The Boston Globe ^ | 7/20/07 | Steve Bailey

Posted on 07/20/2007 7:40:18 AM PDT by wilco200

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To: dread78645

“it took Belair, a New Hampshire resident and licensed gun owner, less than 20 minutes to complete the purchase of a trashy little .38-caliber revolver, perfect for a night out in Dorchester. The gun, which retails for $349, was bargain-priced at $240, which I had given to Belair. (And, of course, expensed to the Globe.)

Belair could have bought 100 guns in tax-free, no-limit New Hampshire that day,”

Plus...either the guy is math deprived, or New Hampshire has established a longer day than the rest of us.
20 minutes per purchase X 100 ( he could have bought) = 2000 minutes = 33.33 hours.
I’m moving to New Hampshire. I need those extra 9.33 hours a day to get things done. :)


21 posted on 07/20/2007 8:20:56 AM PDT by rickomatic
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To: Centurion2000
“Belair could have bought 100 guns in tax-free, no-limit New Hampshire that day, and I could have put them in my trunk and driven (illegally) home. That was exactly the point I was making. That is not what I did. Belair took the gun with him; I’m afraid of guns.”

So, he made the point that he could break the law? Big deal. He says he did not actually break the law. Why? Because he did not want to go to jail. So, his point is I could have broken the law, but I did not, so we have to make more laws so it would be harder for me not to break the law??? This guy is blinded by his admitted hoplophobia. He needs psychiatric help.

22 posted on 07/20/2007 8:22:08 AM PDT by marktwain
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To: rickomatic
I’m moving to New Hampshire. I need those extra 9.33 hours a day to get things done. :)

No thanks, some days are already way too long!

23 posted on 07/20/2007 8:24:37 AM PDT by Clam Digger
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To: bolobaby

I thought head line writers had “artistic license”.


24 posted on 07/20/2007 8:27:47 AM PDT by Graybeard58 (Remember and pray for SSgt. Matt Maupin - MIA/POW- Iraq since 04/09/04)
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To: wilco200

“I’m afraid of guns”. Enough said...


25 posted on 07/20/2007 8:31:38 AM PDT by Freedom_Is_Not_Free
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To: wilco200

This guy is flat insane. He says “Intimidation is the stock in trade of the National Rifle Association,” but his example is the intimidation done by the ATF. Yep, he’s insane. Liberalism IS a mental disorder.


26 posted on 07/20/2007 8:35:31 AM PDT by Freedom_Is_Not_Free
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To: Centurion2000
First, there is no such thing as a “and licensed gun owner,” in NH. You don’t need a license here to own a gun.

Second, “bargain-priced at $240, which I had given to Belair” and (And, of course, expensed to the Globe.)

Bailey and Belair both committed a crime. Belair knew of the plan for the straw purchase, was given the money by Bailey and therefore Culpable. Since the Boston Globe reimbursed Bailey as an expense, and I would think they wanted a receipt, they are also Culpable.

So the gun was in the possession of Belair, who is to say where it was from the time these criminals left the gun show and the ATF showed up at Belair's door. Maybe it was rented to a Boston resident.

27 posted on 07/20/2007 8:39:39 AM PDT by tiger-one (The night has a thousand eyes)
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To: Freedom_Is_Not_Free

“I’m afraid of guns”. Enough said...

This is the kind of guy that needs to be taken to the range for some weapon familiarization training. You know how many people I’ve taken to the range who trembled when they first picked up the gun? Through proper training, they were taught that the only thing you really have to fear about guns is being inexperienced in their use.

I’m afraid of paper cuts. They sting REAL bad. I think I will stop handling paper.

Loser.


28 posted on 07/20/2007 8:55:22 AM PDT by bolobaby
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To: wilco200
Count yourself as a target of the ATF a$$hat! After all ignorance of the law is no excuse.
29 posted on 07/20/2007 8:55:27 AM PDT by beltfed308 (Rudy: When you absolutely,positively need a liberal for President.)
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To: wilco200

This is goofy. The guy goes out of state, can’t buy a gun, so he gives a legal state resident money to buy a gun, which the legal state resident then keeps? And this is illegal somehow?

I always kind of thought if I made a “straw purchase” part of the deal was I took possession of the gun. If the legal purchaser of the gun kept the gun.. ???


30 posted on 07/20/2007 8:55:50 AM PDT by ObadiahLynch
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Correct me if I am wrong. I read the article. The reporter wants to buy a handgun in NH. Since he is from MA he could not so he gave money to a second party to buy a handgun. The reporter paid for the gun, but the second party filled out the paperwork and kept the handgun. Is that a straw purchase? If the second party gave the reporter the gun, it would be, but according to the story the reporter did not keep the gun, thus at worst he financed a gun buy (I don’t think that is illegal).

The financing isn't. It's the false statement made by Belair that's illegal.

The reporter, who is not eligible to purchase a gun, initiated the purchase thru Belair.

When Belair put his signature on the 4473, he made a false claim that he was the 'true purchaser' of the firearm. It doesn't matter if he transfers it to the reporter or keeps it, it's a still a straw purchase.

[T]he law against straw purchases is based on the 1968 federal statute making it unlawful "for any person in connection with the acquisition of a firearm from a … licensed dealer" to "knowingly make any false or fictitious oral or written statement … intended or likely to deceive such … dealer … with respect to any fact material to the lawfulness of the sale …" (18 U.S. Code 92(a)(6)).
-- United States v. Dollar (25 F.Supp.2d 1320)
31 posted on 07/20/2007 9:08:06 AM PDT by dread78645 (Evolution. A doomed theory since 1859.)
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To: Freedom_Is_Not_Free; marktwain

“A fear of weapons is a sign of retarded sexual and emotional maturity.” — Sigmund Freud, General Introduction to Psychoanlysis (1952)


32 posted on 07/20/2007 9:27:43 AM PDT by looscnnn ("Those 1s and 0s you stepped in is a memory dump. Please clean your shoes." PC Confusious)
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To: Freedom_Is_Not_Free

He is an idiot to claim “Dare to say we need fewer, not more guns in this country, dare to say we need a uniform system for monitoring gun sales in this country and you become a target to be hunted down.” He is being hunted down for doing something illegal and then bragging about it. What is happening to him is exactly what they complain about wanting to have stopped and prosecuted.


33 posted on 07/20/2007 9:32:30 AM PDT by looscnnn ("Those 1s and 0s you stepped in is a memory dump. Please clean your shoes." PC Confusious)
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To: rickomatic

Liberal Thinking:

If I blow up this building full of people to prove that Bush has not made us safer, the Feds would never charge me with a crime since I am a reporter uncovering the ‘truth’.


34 posted on 07/20/2007 9:35:23 AM PDT by Erik Latranyi (The Democratic Party will not exist in a few years....we are watching history unfold before us.)
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To: wilco200

Sooooo.... a licensed owner to bought a gun in NH... now how does this show a problem? Did he register it in the wimp’s name? (Straw purchase)


35 posted on 07/20/2007 9:49:12 AM PDT by Teacher317
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To: wilco200

How many other inanimate objects strike fear into the hearts of people?


36 posted on 07/20/2007 9:49:46 AM PDT by Teacher317
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To: dread78645

Okay, but how will a firearms retailer EVER know if someone is lying on that form? How is it a demonstration that the “system is broke”?


37 posted on 07/20/2007 9:51:20 AM PDT by Teacher317
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Steve Bailey is a Globe columnist. He can be reached at bailey@globe.com or at 617-929-2902.

Let him know what you think. I just did.

38 posted on 07/20/2007 9:56:28 AM PDT by Daffynition (The quieter you become, the more you are able to hear.)
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To: Fee

See my post #20


39 posted on 07/20/2007 9:56:43 AM PDT by tiger-one (The night has a thousand eyes)
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To: marktwain

see my post #20


40 posted on 07/20/2007 10:01:49 AM PDT by tiger-one (The night has a thousand eyes)
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