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To: tabsternager
Sounds like you’ve been believing some propaganda.

No, I am a frequent visitor to Israel, and the so-called "West Bank." If by propaganda, you mean nonsense from various Presbyterian, Methodist, Lutheran, etc. Muslim apologists, then "no" I don't listen to their praeterist babel.

Ask your cousins who ventures into Bethlehem these days. It used to be that Bethlehem had a thriving Christian community. No longer. They are all dead. The only Arab Christians in any numbers now live in East Jerusalem, and then it is not many. East Jerusalem is under Israeli control.

And the fact is not all Palestinians are terrorists and the Israeli government is not exactly a boy scout troop.

Well, first, there is no such thing as a "Palestinian." Second, although you are right, there are a lot of Israelis that are just like a lot of Americans... the differences is that "Whereever your foot shall tread... is a Divine, and eternal promise. Those who deny Judea and Samaria to Isreal are denying the promises of the Almighty, and are on the wrong side. They war not against Israel, but against the G-d of Abraham, Isaac, and Jacob.

The lines are drawn. Choose wisely. Genesis 12:3
38 posted on 07/20/2007 8:54:59 AM PDT by safisoft (Give me Torah!)
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To: safisoft

“No, I am a frequent visitor to Israel...”

Sorry, but a frequent tourist means nothing.

As far as the land covenant, it was conditional:

Leviticus 18: “But you must keep my decrees and my laws. The native-born and the aliens living among you must not do any of these detestable things, for all these things were done by the people who lived in the land before you, and the land became defiled. And if you defile the land, it will vomit you out as it vomited out the nations that were before you.”

Which happened, as they were exiled.

The promised land on earth was a type and shadow of the true Promised Land, just as animal sacrifices to atone for sin was a type and shadow of the true Lamb of God, Christ:

Hebrews 11:8-10: “By faith Abraham, when called to go to a place he would later receive as his inheritance, obeyed and went, even though he did not know where he was going. By faith he made his home in the promised land like a stranger in a foreign country; he lived in tents, as did Isaac and Jacob, who were heirs with him of the same promise. For he was looking forward to the city with foundations, whose architect and builder is God.”

Hebrews 13-16 “All these people were still living by faith when they died. They did not receive the things promised; they only saw them and welcomed them from a distance. And they admitted that they were aliens and strangers on earth. People who say such things show that they are looking for a country of their own. If they had been thinking of the country they had left, they would have had opportunity to return. Instead, they were longing for a better country—a heavenly one.”

And how do you get to the Promised Land? By faith:

Galatians 3:26 “You are all sons of God through faith in Christ Jesus, for all of you who were baptized into Christ have clothed yourselves with Christ. There is neither Jew nor Greek, slave nor free, male nor female, for you are all one in Christ Jesus. If you belong to Christ, then you are Abraham’s seed, and heirs according to the promise.”

Suffice to say, if you don’t interpret Scripture in light of Scripture but instead interpret Scripture in light of the daily newspaper and cherry pick verses, you’re bound to err.


39 posted on 07/20/2007 10:03:52 AM PDT by tabsternager
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