[Minipax]

OH, also all great and mighty one. Ask yourself what value your weakness in the face of such simple propaganda serves your fellows still over there and closing in on a real victory. You give yourself over to those who preach our defeat. It is the willingness to submit to criticisms for the simple sake of criticism and the demand for impossibly perfect outcomes to problems that are by their very definition, complex and loaded with unknowns that those who preach our defeat count on.

You're the one who relies on propaganda. Where do you get your information? White House press releases? I got mine first hand. Take a poll of Marines who have done tours in Iraq. You won't find many who think that things will turn out well. I still think that we should stay and fight until Iraqis can handle security themselves. We need to finish what we started. I just wish that we had never gone in the first place.

[Grimmy]

“You’re the one who relies on propaganda. Where do you get your information? White House press releases? I got mine first hand. Take a poll of Marines who have done tours in Iraq. You won’t find many who think that things will turn out well. I still think that we should stay and fight until Iraqis can handle security themselves. We need to finish what we started. I just wish that we had never gone in the first place.”

No sir. My views come from watching the process and the obvious propaganda campaign develop concurrently.

Our enemy knows full well that Americans have proven themselves to be amazingly susceptible to the lamest and stupidest of possible agitprop mechanisms for the last full generation. They don’t even try to be slick or sophisticated anymore.

This is something well known to our military as well, and has been at least since I was serving during the ‘80s. This is where the restrictive ROE originate from. Our military knows full well that much of our population will immediately accept as true, any accusation against our military, no matter how exaggerated.