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To: Raycpa
I would but I doubt you even know what a law is. Explain to me what you think a law is then once we agree on the terms (if that is possible with a "true believer") then I will provide it to you.

I think Cryer's "Motion to Dismiss" is very good and I would not pretend to be able to improve upon it. Have you read it? I have.

Can you explain why the IRS could not or would not cite the law in the prosecution of Cryer?

Your citations of some law address violations of the Internal Revenue Code. They do not address the issue of what monies are subject to the code. If someone violates the code, then penalties should be imposed; but the government must first establish tax liability.

If there is no liability, there is no tax due on those monies and if no taxes are due, there can be no violation.

Nice try.

Once again, can you cite the law that required Cryer to pay the taxes in dispute?

97 posted on 07/15/2007 12:43:23 PM PDT by SeaHawkFan
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To: SeaHawkFan
There is no law or statute. No pro-IRS person and no IRS agent and not even a member of Congress can show you a statute anywhere on the books. Remember "Show me the money!" Now it is time to say, "Show me the law!"

There is no such law.

101 posted on 07/15/2007 12:53:39 PM PDT by Maeve (Do you have supplies for an extended emergency? Be prepared! Pray!)
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To: SeaHawkFan

he Tax Scam Artist’s Lie: Payment of tax is voluntary.

In a similar vein, some argue that they are not required to pay federal taxes because the payment of federal taxes is voluntary. Proponents of this position argue that our system of taxation is based upon voluntary assessment and payment.

The Truth:

The requirement to pay taxes is not voluntary and is clearly set forth in section 1 of the Internal Revenue Code, which imposes a tax on the taxable income of individuals, estates, and trusts as determined by the tables set forth in that section. (Section 11 imposes a tax on the taxable income of corporations.) Furthermore, the obligation to pay tax is described in section 6151, which requires taxpayers to submit payment with their tax returns. Failure to pay taxes could subject the noncomplying individual to criminal penalties, including fines and imprisonment, as well as civil penalties.

In discussing section 6151, the Eighth Circuit Court of Appeals stated that “when a tax return is required to be filed, the person so required ‘shall’ pay such taxes to the internal revenue officer with whom the return is filed at the fixed time and place. The sections of the Internal Revenue Code imposed a duty on Drefke to file tax returns and pay the . . . tax, a duty which he chose to ignore.” United States v. Drefke, 707 F.2d 978, 981 (8 th Cir. 1983).

Relevant Case Law:

United States v. Bressler, 772 F.2d 287, 291 (7 th Cir. 1985) - the court upheld Bressler’s conviction for tax evasion, noting, “[he] has refused to file income tax returns and pay the amounts due not because he misunderstands the law, but because he disagrees with it . . . . [O]ne who refuses to file income tax returns and pay the tax owing is subject to prosecution, even though the tax protester believes the laws requiring the filing of income tax returns and the payment of income tax are unconstitutional.

Schiff v. United States, 919 F.2d 830, 833 (2d Cir. 1990), cert. denied, 501 U.S. 1238 (1991) - the court rejected Schiff’s arguments as meritless and upheld imposition of the civil fraud penalty, stating “[t]he frivolous nature of this appeal is perhaps best illustrated by our conclusion that Schiff is precisely the sort of taxpayer upon whom a fraud penalty for failure to pay income taxes should be imposed.

Packard v. United States, 7 F. Supp. 2d 143, 145 (D. Conn. 1998) - the court dismissed Packard’s refund suit for recovery of penalties for failure to pay income tax and failure to pay estimated taxes where the taxpayer contested the obligation to pay taxes on religious grounds, noting that “the ability of the Government to function could be impaired if persons could refuse to pay taxes because they disagreed with the Government’s use of tax revenues.

United States v. Gerads, 999 F.2d 1255, 1256 (8 th Cir. 1993) - the court stated that “[taxpayers’] claim that payment of federal income tax is voluntary clearly lacks substance” and imposed sanctions in the amount of $1,500 “for bringing this frivolous appeal based on discredited, tax-protestor arguments.


102 posted on 07/15/2007 12:56:36 PM PDT by Rodney King (No, we can't all just get along.)
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To: SeaHawkFan
Once again, can you cite the law that required Cryer to pay the taxes in dispute?

Please define what you believe "law" to mean. Is it something passed by congress and approved by the president?

127 posted on 07/15/2007 3:46:22 PM PDT by Raycpa
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