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To: aruanan; liberallarry
And what exactly did you observe in that situation? Was it an increase in the ambient air temp., or the surface temp. of the pavement?

And when, where, and how did you measure the temp. in the forest?
Again, was it the ambient air temp.?
Temp of the forest floor?
Temp. of the air in the shade of the tree canopy?

Or perhaps the air temp. above the forest canopy?
Or did you measure all of the above and derive an average?
How did you weight the data?
What were the humidity levels in the various areas?
How broad was the area measured?

You don't know, do you? Because it was a totally subjective and vague observation. You can not quantify your "feeling?

And this is at the root of the conflict. The existing data sets are so general that the fudge factor, conscious or unconscious. So much of the presented man-made argument is based on meta-studies, that is study of studies.

Even Lockwood, with all of his credentials, stated in 1999, IIRC, that his conclusions were based on meta-studies and computer models. Yet not one software analysis can be proved to use past data and predict temp. for a past point in time for which we have "average temps. Not one.

Consider that the amount of solar radiation provides roughly 1200 to 1300 watts per sq. meter per second.

What man-made activity even approaches a fraction of that number globally?

Now consider what a 5% fluctuation in solar energy means over the course of a single day on your patch of pavement.

The cavalier attitude that dismisses the variation of solar energy ought to tell you that something other than objective science is at work here.

307 posted on 07/12/2007 3:43:27 AM PDT by Covenantor (America's Fifth column is in the White House and Capitol)
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To: Covenantor; liberallarry
1200 to 1300 watts per sq. meter per second.

Technically, that should be "watt-seconds per second", but we get the point.  

Numbers are neat, and that kw per meter2 cranks out to about a couple hundred terrawatts world wide, while the geothermal losses are 'only' about 30 or 40 terrawatts.  Any talk about the earth gaining or loosing heat has to take take into account fluctuations of solar activity --big time.

310 posted on 07/12/2007 12:10:42 PM PDT by expat_panama
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