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Did Giuliani really bust N.Y.C. crime - or was it science?
The Concord Monitor ^ | July 9, 2007 | SHANKAR VEDANTAM

Posted on 07/09/2007 1:32:26 PM PDT by 2ndDivisionVet

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To: 2ndDivisionVet

Lead poisoning reduces crime when combined with the correct amount of cordite.


21 posted on 07/09/2007 1:53:20 PM PDT by azhenfud (The fool hath said in his heart, There is no God.)
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To: 2ndDivisionVet

“Bratton and Giuliani instituted harsh measures against quality-of-life offenses, based on the “broken windows” theory of addressing minor offenses to head off more serious crimes.”

Correct. This long-winded article detracts from the truth of what was happening on the streets: giving the police authority to deal with lawbreakers, and re-programming people to comply with the tenets of law and order.


22 posted on 07/09/2007 1:53:42 PM PDT by Canedawg (In God We Trust)
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To: 2ndDivisionVet

If you look at the real crime statistics, you’ll notice that the crime rate started to decline well before Giuliani became mayor.

http://www.disastercenter.com/crime/nycrime.htm


23 posted on 07/09/2007 1:54:33 PM PDT by Clam Digger
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To: 2ndDivisionVet

He targeted sex shops, especially along 42nd street. He also targeted squeegee windshield washers. I believe both actions contributed to the decrease in NYC crime by improving the quality of life.


24 posted on 07/09/2007 1:55:32 PM PDT by Tai_Chung
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To: hunter112
I'm willing to give Rudy credit for reducing crime in NYC.

You'd be wrong, then. The trend toward reduced crime started well before he became mayor.

25 posted on 07/09/2007 1:56:37 PM PDT by Clam Digger
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To: Extremely Extreme Extremist

What did he do about 9/11 that makes him deserve any credit? What did he do? Everyone loves him for what he did on 9/11, but they can’t say what it is he actually did.


26 posted on 07/09/2007 1:58:39 PM PDT by Clam Digger
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To: Extremely Extreme Extremist
He merely put a sociologist's theory to practice and got lucky it worked as it did.

Perhaps. But for him to put the theory into practice he had to take on the entrenched liberal and minority interests in the heart of the beast and defeat them.

That takes very big brass ones, whatever else you can say about the man.

27 posted on 07/09/2007 1:59:11 PM PDT by Sherman Logan (It's not the heat, it's the stupidity.)
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To: 2ndDivisionVet

Rudy implemented zero tolerance on quality of life crime and most importantly ordered the NYPD to hold everyone to be ticketed for a minor offense long enough for there to be a warrant check and a parole status check. This sent thousands of criminals back behind bars. iow...he nailed them on the little stuff thereby prohibiting them from doing the big stuff.


28 posted on 07/09/2007 2:00:29 PM PDT by wtc911 ("How you gonna get back down that hill?")
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To: Clam Digger

Actually, I think the trend towards increased personal responsibility among minorities in NYC took a giant leap in ‘95 after the Million Man March. There was a change in attitude in many ways after that in a lot of people I saw.

But Giuliani knew what had to be done before that, and stuck to his plan in spite of the local liberal media crying and moaning about it.


29 posted on 07/09/2007 2:01:43 PM PDT by Canedawg (In God We Trust)
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To: Brilliant

“lead poisoning accounts for much of the variation in violent crime in the United States.”

Plausible marker, really.

As only unattended kids chew on lead paint, and unattended kids are more likely to grow up to be thugs than kids of parents who care about their kids and their stuff.

But lead causing the behavior? Doubt it.


30 posted on 07/09/2007 2:04:02 PM PDT by MeanWestTexan (Kol Hakavod Fred Thompson)
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To: weegee

Humidity rots the brain.


31 posted on 07/09/2007 2:04:38 PM PDT by MeanWestTexan (Kol Hakavod Fred Thompson)
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To: Clam Digger

Well putting the C&C for terrorist attack in the WTC after the WTC was attacked the first time was brilliant.

(yeah, sarcasm)


32 posted on 07/09/2007 2:05:48 PM PDT by MeanWestTexan (Kol Hakavod Fred Thompson)
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To: Clam Digger

Giuliani also tried to extend his term beyond what it was supposed to be following the 9/11 attacks. Someone should hit him on that.


33 posted on 07/09/2007 2:07:15 PM PDT by AzaleaCity5691
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To: Clam Digger

“....Everyone loves him for what he did on 9/11....”

Count me out.....the way I see it, he was worthless except for the walk-on to Saturday Night Live to bless SNL with the right to be “funny” again, and refusing the Saudi money......beyond that, the WTC/911 matter would have evolved as it did quite well without him....and in some ways it might have been better had he not been entrenched prior to it, IMO.


34 posted on 07/09/2007 2:09:05 PM PDT by Vn_survivor_67-68
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To: AzaleaCity5691

Giuliani also tried to extend his term beyond what it was supposed to be following the 9/11 attacks.”

It was strongly considered iirc, but I think he abandoned that idea prior to taking the rule to task.


35 posted on 07/09/2007 2:20:23 PM PDT by Canedawg (In God We Trust)
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To: Vn_survivor_67-68

“WTC/911 matter would have evolved as it did quite well without him....and in some ways it might have been better had he not been entrenched prior to it, IMO.”

Entrenched? LOL. He was a lame duck mayor ready to ride off into the sunset with his younger gf. It was only after 9/11 that anyone even thought of him sticking around for another term.

In Freep’s zeal to denigrate him since he isnt the potus candidate of choice here, I think some are viewing his history through a biased prism.


36 posted on 07/09/2007 2:23:22 PM PDT by Canedawg (In God We Trust)
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To: Canedawg

his “preparations” for it - esp since his term of office began in the wake of the FIRST WTC bombing - were pathetic - from the git, thru his entire term, and ESP beginning on tuesday morning of 911 just before 9am.

You know it, and so does every other rudybot.......and everyone else, too.


37 posted on 07/09/2007 2:29:39 PM PDT by Vn_survivor_67-68
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To: I still care

Yeah,and I remember how the MSM wailed how the Police
were arresting those that jumped over the turnstiles
in the subway.

Found that people who did that quite often had outstanding
warrants.Suprise Suprise.Criminals don`t just do big
crimes,often do smaller ones.

Still don`t want him for President


38 posted on 07/09/2007 2:31:30 PM PDT by 31M20RedDevil (Fred Thompson for President)
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To: I still care

I experienced it all too. They’re stooping really low to try take that away from him.


39 posted on 07/09/2007 2:35:41 PM PDT by RDTF (Republicans believe every day is July 4th, but Democrats believe every day is April 15th. - Reagan)
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To: 2ndDivisionVet

Did reducing lead content help lower crime rates. Sure. But it helped lower crime rates in the Bloomberg, Dinkins and Koch administrations as much as it during the Giuliani administration. So comparing crime rates in the Giuliani administration to crime rates in the Dinkins adminsitration is still comparing apples to apples.

big apples.


40 posted on 07/09/2007 2:52:15 PM PDT by dangus
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