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To: Tribune7
What is it with you people? Is language comprehension so far beyond you. Do you ask stupid questions just to try to prove you are related to apes?

Well, we're hell-bound sinners, see. And unlike "you people," we lack that ruddy glow of Christian antipathy.

What I am saying -- not suggesting -- is that to imply Hitler based his racist theories on the Bible is beyond foolish.

Because, of course, no one had done so before, and no one has ever done so since. It's just unheard of.

Of course, a lot of antisemitism, actually most, was not Scriptural based.

Good to know.

Now I can just write off as historical aberrations Martin Luther; the producers of the passion play in Oberammergau (and all those other German passion plays); the KKK; the Christian Identity movement; Eusebius of Caesareathe; Saint Ambrose, Bishop of Milan; Augustine of Hippo; Ephraim the Syrian; Justin Martyr; Saint Jerome; Saint John Chrysostom; Saint Fulgentius of Ruspe; Emporor Constantine and the Edict of Milan; Emperor Constantius; St. Hilary of Poitiers; Saint Cyril, Bishop of Alexandria; Emperor Leo I; Virgil, Bishop of Arles, and Theodore, Bishop of Marseilles; Thomas of Monmouth; Pope Clement VIII; Edward I of England; Ferdinand II of Aragon and Isabella I of Castile; the Papal States; Emperor Justinian and the portions of the Justinian Code dealing with Jews; the Council of Basel; the Third and Fourth Lateran Councils; the Synod of Gerona and of Narbonne; the Trulanic Synod; the Councils of Orleans; The 17th Church Council of Toledo; The Synod of Vienna; the Shepherd Crusade; The Council of Basel; the Trullanean, Béziers, Alby, Avignon, and Salamanca Councils; the Englilsh Blood Libel; Pope Gregory IX and the charter for the Dominican order within the Papal Inquisition; The Spanish Inquisition; the Roman Catholic Papal bull, "Cum nimis absurdum," requiring Jews to wear badges (you do know, don't you, that the Nazi imposition of a yellow star to be worn by Jews was a revival of church laws?); Abbe Barruel; Pope Pius IX; Narodowe Odrodzenie Polski; Kyrkliga Folkpartiet; Father Charles Edward Coughlin; the Protestant Reich Church (which that non-biblically based anti-semite Adolph Hitler formed in 1933 by merging 28 regional churches into one church); Deutsche Christen; Hanns Kerrl (the Nazi Reichsminister of Church Affairs); Positives Christentum; Cardinal Hloud; etc., etc., etc.

And of course, Hitler didn't mean it when he wrote in Mein Kampf in 1925, "Today I believe that I am acting in accordance with the will of the Almighty Creator: by defending myself against the Jew, I am fighting for the work of the Lord." He only said that for effect. A pretty resoundingly successful and murderous effect, but just effect nonetheless.

But, Hitler added a completely new wrinkle. The racial theory he accepted and upon which he justified his policy was one of the superiority of the Nordic race

Ahhh. So your contention now is that racial segregation, enslavement, and genocide has never been justified by Biblical recourse. That notion is just a figment of the imagination of (as you so tellingly put it) "you people."

Hitler may have used the Bible in propaganda but he didn't believe a word of it.

Who do you suppose his propaganda was aimed at, and why do you suppose it worked?

He did believe in natural selection and thought it a source of morality.

Right. He wasn't a true Christian, but he was a true "Darwinist." Now, why was it he didn't use images of Darwin or excerpts from "The Origin of Species" in his propaganda?

244 posted on 07/10/2007 9:00:41 AM PDT by atlaw
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To: atlaw

The misuse of Scripture, while historically accurate, is no reflection on the Scriptures themselves. They are a reflection of the one mishandling them.

Isn’t that the same standard the typical evo applies to those with “the ruddy glow of Christian antipathy” who misunderstand the sciences involved in their discussions?


245 posted on 07/10/2007 9:57:28 AM PDT by MarDav
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To: atlaw
He wasn't a true Christian, but he was a true "Darwinist."

Exactly! Maybe there is hope for you!

Now, why was it he didn't use images of Darwin or excerpts from "The Origin of Species" in his propaganda?“

That's an interesting point you raise. Here is some Nazi propaganda:

Our starting point is not the individual, and we do not subscribe to the view that one should feed the hungry, give drink to the thirsty, or clothe the naked . . . . Our objectives are entirely different: we must have a healthy people in order to prevail in the world.”
Joseph Goebbels, Minister of Propaganda, 1938

Now who is the one who called us to feed the hungry etc? Do you really need me to spell out the name? It starts with a J.

OTOH, that campaign to have a healthy people in order to prevail in the world was based in part on ideas about public health and genetic "fitness" that had grown out of the inclination of many late nineteenth century scientists and intellectuals to apply the Darwinian concepts of evolution to the problems of human society.

246 posted on 07/10/2007 10:10:18 AM PDT by Tribune7 (Live Earth: Pretend to Care)
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