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All the conservative proponents I've heard (and I've heard a few) defending the bill never once discussed what passing the bill would do. Instead they focused on the "sad" plight of those people "living in the shadows". They never mentioned what pardoning these people would do and the message it would send to other illegals which is: get to America, and at some point you too will be pardoned. They talk about the impossibility of finding and deporting twelve or twenty million illegals.

Another argument they make is that if we don't pass this bill, the Dems when they get power will pass an even worse bill. In short what they're admitting is that this is a bad bill, but pass it anyway because what is coming up next is worse. That's like saying vote for me because although I'm a crook, my opponent is a worse crook.

Well we have laws against many types of crimes including murder, but we don't expect to stop people from killing each other. But we don't stop trying to catch and convict murderers. The bill defenders simply avoid the big questions. All their pity is extended to the illegals instead of considering what they want to enact will do to the country at large.

"sad" plight of those people "living in the shadows"

Living in the shadows my a$$! Let's see, they're in all of the stores, they are in the dentist's offices, the doctor's offices, the schools, the parks, the community swimming pools, 15 families packed into a 3 bd. house, walking the streets, loitering in shopping centers, I could go on and on. I guess my definition of living in the shadows is way different then a politicians.

We have laws against many types of crimes including murder, but we don't expect to stop people from killing each other..........But we don't stop trying to catch and convict murderers...........The amnesty bill defenders simply avoid the big questions. All their pity is extended to the illegals instead of considering what they want to enact will do to the country at large.

N-i-c-e summation----best yet.

These ivory tower types have no idea how frightened Americans are.

Illegals are coming into upscale residential areas-----strolling our streets like they owned them.

The illegals look at us with strange, hooded eyes, lusting after our cars, our property. Americans wonder if they are coming to rape or kill us.

Americans cannot ask what illegals are doing in our neighborhoods---a NYC actress spoke up, and was murdered, then strung up in her shower. The murder was staged to look like a suicide by the 19-year old killer (an illegal). God knows how many other crimes he committed---so practiced was he at staging his brutal murder of this young woman.

Americans want this to stop. We want our gov't to do something about this. We want our government to act to protect us.

It is an outrage that illegals who broke the law sneaking into our country feel they have the right to takeover our streets and frighten, murder rob and rape law-abiding Americans.

This has to end.