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To: Plutarch

Baloney, this bill is being pushed and shoved by forces beyond the public knowledge. Be they One World, American Union, American debt buyers, bankers, corporation or good old socialists. I believe they’ll try every trick in the book to get this done. Until then keep your eyes wide open.


12 posted on 06/27/2007 5:10:06 PM PDT by veracious
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To: veracious
I believe they’ll try every trick in the book to get this done. Until then keep your eyes wide open.

The perfidy of the forces pushing this bill knows no bounds. They have to get 60 votes, however, and this article provides evidence that things are tipping our way. The loss of the Clay Pigeon appears key.

19 posted on 06/27/2007 5:21:54 PM PDT by Plutarch (Bush is a coward to the left and a tyrant to the right.)
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To: veracious

The 2 Senators for debating this issue in the am are Kennedy and Spectre. Sessions asked for time in the am and was refused. He had to use his time left this evening. He also asked if it was proper procedure to allow the debaters in the am to be proponents of this shamnesty.


23 posted on 06/27/2007 5:26:15 PM PDT by rocksblues (Just enforce the law!)
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To: veracious

“”Baloney, this bill is being pushed and shoved by forces beyond the public knowledge. Be they One World, American Union, American debt buyers, bankers, corporation or good old socialists. I believe they’ll try every trick in the book to get this done. Until then keep your eyes wide open.””

Good points.


27 posted on 06/27/2007 5:36:43 PM PDT by Shermy
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To: veracious

“I believe they’ll try every trick in the book to get this done. Until then keep your eyes wide open.”

I think this was their grandest trick. It was made knowing that what the really want, mass legalization, could never be passed on its own, but under the confusion of “comprehensivity” and keeping many in check by imparting fears of being called racist. On its own, I think, or at least they think, Z Visas and the like could never pass. Any such bill would end up only amnestying people who have been here for twenty years with American born children, and that would go down hard.

Non-enforcement is a route, but as Kyl and others said, the powers that be are worried the states might start enforcing federal immigration law.


42 posted on 06/27/2007 5:58:51 PM PDT by Shermy
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To: veracious
I believe they’ll try every trick in the book to get this done. Until then keep your eyes wide open.

We sure do have to say on top of it.

But, I believe that, in the end, we will win the cloture vote with more than five votes to spare! Not close.

These things tend to avalanche toward the end, one way or the other. And the failure of the clay pigeon means few senators have had even a pretend shot at their amendments. Thus, they have good cover to do what they want to do anyway because they are now more afraid of the pitchforks than anything else.

(Disclaimer: I don't know what I am talking about.)

45 posted on 06/27/2007 6:06:29 PM PDT by SergeiRachmaninov
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