[Dr. Frank fan]

When they aren't shooting at us any more, we've won. When they're still shooting, it's a work in progress and no one has won yet.

This is a dumb standard of victory according to which anyone can "prove we haven't won" at any time by picking up a gun and pointlessly firing in the general direction of a U.S. soldier. According to this standard of victory, we didn't defeat in Japan in 1945.

[Kaylee Frye]

When they aren't shooting at us any more, we've won. When they're still shooting, it's a work in progress and no one has won yet.

This is a dumb standard of victory according to which anyone can "prove we haven't won" at any time by picking up a gun and pointlessly firing in the general direction of a U.S. soldier. According to this standard of victory, we didn't defeat in Japan in 1945.

Hardly the same as what is occurring in Iraq... I think anyone who doesn’t have an agenda to push can see the difference between multiple firefights/deaths/injuries every day and one crazed lunatic shooting at someone.

[ReignOfError]

What’s your definition of victory that does not include the war being over?