[LeGrande]

Mac person? As in Macintosh Computers?

That's right. Right now I am lusting after an Octocore Pro. So a month or two after Leopard is out that is what I will be using.

The Electric Universe people and the Plasma Cosmologists are one in the same.

Oh, no. Remember when I told you I wasn't up to speed on the Plasma stuff? The Electric Universe people aren't trying to invent a whole new physics system, they are trying to fit the electric stuff in, not rewrite everything.

Some of the creationists are definitely guilty of trying desperately to put a square peg into a round hole. The intelligent design guys do make some interesting points. I'd like to move our conversation into this area at some point if you're interested. I'd like to get your slant on these issues.

Sure and you know that there are some big threads on this whole subject?

I will wet your appetite ^^_^ Think about this, consciousness causes the wave packet to collapse. Could consciousness have created the universe? What is consciousness? Think membrane and the Sum of all paths with feedback.

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That's right. Right now I am lusting after an Octocore Pro. So a month or two after Leopard is out that is what I will be using.

That's way cool. I was an owner of an original 128k Macintosh. I'm currently using a dual 2 GHz Power PC Tower running OS 10.3.9. It is still an awesome machine and does everything that I need. We will probably upgrade to Leopard when it comes out. I won't be getting one of the new Intel Macs until this one gives up the ghost or becomes obsolete (I think Leopard will be the last OS to support the old hardware).

You'll have to provide me some links to the EU sites you've been visiting. Everyone I've ever seen looks favorably on the work of Peratt and Arp. No EU sites I've seen accept Black Holes and Dark Matter.

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In case you're interested, there has been a lively on line debate going on between some of the Electric Universe people and an old guard scientist who goes by the screen name of ScienceApologist. He is an editor at wikipedia who is very critical of EU thinking. Anyway, there is a forum at thunderbolts.com where EU and other such things are discussed. Somebody started a thread titled 'EU and Criticism' and ScienceApologist (SA) immediately started posting to it. SA is very arrogant and doesn't have any respect for the work being done in the EU area but he seems to be quite knowledgeable and some of his criticisms of the field are good. The conversation has been going on for two weeks now. At first SA just seemed to be having fun poking at EU crackpots but it seems the level of discourse is picking up. The thing that I find encouraging is that somebody representing the main stream is actually in dialog with EU proponents. The conversation can be found here if you're interested.