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Thanks for taking the time to do a little research. We will both need to do that in order to move the conversation along. I'm enjoying it and hope you are as well.

There is not an all encompassing theory that explains it all in the plasma world. As I stated earlier, this is one of the reasons the plasma guys aren't gaining a wider audience. The following from Dr. Peratt's web site is interesting.

Plasma astrophysics is currently being done with machines called pulsed-power generators, which currently operate in the 0.5-2 megajoules range and are located at Sandia National Laboratories and Los Alamos National Laboratory. Under construction is Atlas, a large pulsed power generator for studying instabilities in the various states of matter. Also mentioned is X-1, a 20-megajoule behemoth , so called after the bright source in the constellation Cygnus A. An appreciable fraction of machine usage for these large machines will be devoted to plasma astrophysics.

and this

"Just as gravity was the basis for astrophysics in the twentieth century," assert today's advocates of the plasma model, "electromagnetism will be in the twenty-first century." This claim and challenge is offered with growing conviction, thanks to a diverse collection of auspicious developments:

1. Radically advanced equipment is becoming available for testing in the laboratory plasma behaviors that are surprisingly comparable to those in cosmic space.

2. Clear evidence of inter- and intra-galactic magnetic fields have been found.

3. Current filaments have been detected in the interstellar medium.

4. Supercomputer capabilities are now so great, and plasma modeling is so advanced, thanks to efforts to model nuclear weapons, that a new era of modeling cosmological phenomena is upon us.

In the details of these developments, as presented in four accompanying sidebars, we see the emerging face of astrophysics in the twenty-first century.

I think a workable theory will emerge from the modeling that comes from these new technologies. That new theory will answer the difficult questions that the gravity guys can't explain or explain using unverifiable constructs.

I started my reading on the subject at this site.

Another place to get some interesting reading is the Thunderbolts Picture of the Day site. They get into many areas dealing with the electrical force in the solar system and beyond. The article is always short but interesting. Today's article deals with what we have been talking about, an electric model for a galactic engine. The picture of the day archive contains some very interesting articles on a number of different subjects.

Get back to me when you can. The flow of the conversation will be driven by our research and life's vicissitudes.

Thanks for the links. It just so happens that I used to be an Electrical engineer in an earlier lifetime, so this Plasma stuff is right down my ally. Condensing what I have read so far is that experimentally observed plasma formations look like some of the observed Galaxies in the Universe and that the velocity of the galaxy arms is more in line with an electrical theory than a gravitational theory. No problem at all with those observations. This is where it starts to get weird with antimatter and new theories that disagree with Maxwell's equations or the observations of the matter in the universe, for the plasma theory to work all the matter needs to be charged and not cancel each other out, but we haven't observed that. Check out this site on the the forces, it provides a good basic overview. Fermi

Like I said I think it is going to be the integration of the all the forces that will help this all to make sense.

My problem so far with the Plasma boys is that they don't seem to have anything more than. Hmmm, this looks very similar, I wonder if there is a connection? We need to have a theory to explain it and all the theories I have seen seem really out there.