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To: Greg F
You can put in "false prophecies" and "Joseph Smith" in a search and come up with tons of sites laying them out.

Most of them with agendas - and "Googling" isn't data. Additionally, dispensationalist Christianity has been a whole series of false predictions of the End Times (ever read Hal Lindsay's Late Great Planet Earth or someone else's 88 Reasons why Jesus will Return in 1988?) - so Evangelical Christians aren't in a particularly good position to make that argument.

Don't buy into the worldly view that all religions are the same because they are all poppycock.

Never said that. All I said is your presuppositions determine your conclusions - and those presuppositions are rooted in faith, not objective empiricism.

Contemporary historians wrote of Christ

Name one. Josephus' entry on Christ is suspect (widely believed to be a pious forgery). There are a couple of cryptic remarks Seutonius in the early second century - but 75 years after Christ died is hardly a "contemporary historical account." The New Testament and the early Gnostic literature isn't "historical" material, but material by Christian partisans.

Ultimately, Christians believe that Jesus Christ existed based on the authority of the Church, and the witness of Scripture. Those are presuppositions, not conclusions - and the result of faith, not empiricism.

Now - don't get me wrong - I'm not Mormon. But that doesn't mean that I can **prove** Mormonism is wrong. I can demonstrate that Mormonism is inconsistent with historically orthodox Christianity, but that only matters if we assume historically orthodox Christianity is correct.

141 posted on 06/23/2007 5:23:36 PM PDT by jude24
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To: jude24

But you can prove that Joseph Smith was a false prophet. I gave you two examples. You can examine them to your ability if it’s important to you to determine the truth of Smith as a prophet. What you said is that you can’t disprove someone is a prophet — I say you can with very little work in Joseph Smith’s case.

You are smart enough to know that there is a difference between prophecy in scripture and some random preacher’s comments. The scripture of the Mormon church from Joseph
Smith demonstrably has false prophecies and inaccuracies in it. Demonstrate this to me with prophecy in the Bible; something as clearly false as Joseph Smith’s prophesy that a man would go on a mission who died before he ever left on that mission.

You say that Josephus was “pious” — he wasn’t a Christian at all Jude. Look it up. Simple mention of Jesus in a contemporary document by a non-Christian. Show me something like that for the Mormon idea that Christ visited the indians and that the indians were Jewish.


153 posted on 06/23/2007 5:38:47 PM PDT by Greg F (<><)
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