Posted on 06/23/2007 1:28:02 PM PDT by Extremely Extreme Extremist
Why can’t faith be disproved? If someone has faith in a prophet and it is demonstrated that a prophecy is false, then their faith is contrary to reason. Disproved.
As far as the claim that the history of Josephus is a forgery, Josephus was known and appears in other documents external to his own writings, but taking you on your own terms, show me even an arguably credible contemporary history by an American Indian/Lost Tribe from Judah talking about Christ in the Americas. Or lost tribes of Jews in the Americas. The two faiths are not even comparable. The Mormon faith runs contrary to reason and evidence. The Christian faith is consistent with reason.
And if Enoch's Pope let him wear a rubber, we wouldn't be here now. (Deep joke here...)
Ben He Elohim is not just SONS please show us the full translation. Or are you afraid that the Bible says SONS (Children) of GOD multiple times?
Too scare to look at the truth? It is interesting that I am consider irrational, but when there is evidence presented it is marked as something that can’t be reasoned with. LOL!
You're absolutely right. There is no evidence that the Lost Tribes made it to America. Archeology hasn't found proof of the Lamenites, Jaredites, or Nephites. There is no scientific evidence for Mormonism. But of what instance is the lack of scientific evidence? It's not going to change a Mormon's mind - he doesn't believe in Mormonism because of scientific evidence.
The Christian faith is consistent with reason.
It is internally consistent, but rests on fundamental presuppositions. They are ones which I hold too, but you have to recognize your presuppositions and note that they are neither provable nor universally shared.
Jehovah’s witnesses don’t run for office or vote.
Those examples you gave are conditional and in some cases they were fulfilled. The civil war happened and there was mayhem. The United States army was defeated by the Mormons — see the Utah War or Buchanan’s blunder etc.
Anyway, by your standards, there are plenty instances of prophecies in the Old Testament and the New Testament not being fulfilled.
No evidence of the Tower of Babel, either. The DNA evidence disproves it. The archeological evidence disproves all of the timelines in Bible too. So the faithful find themselves arguing the same argument Mormons make? Curious isn’t it.
Look, you are the one who claimed that ANGEL was there, it isn’t
YOU are the one who is wrong
If you believe that Satan is created? And God is the Father of all creations. O.k. that is the same position of the Mormons. Why do you argue with us then?
Psalms 8 is a good one! It is there!
Satan was among the first ones created.
Jesus was not. Christ existed with God before Creation.
Shall we start with the belief in KOLOB?
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Yes, Kolob, which means translated in Hebrew, center of the universe (see root word QLB).
Yes, I believe God dwells at the center of the universe. So you are arguing that God does not dwell at the center of the universe? That is fine if you don’t believe, but I believe that God’s presence is at the center and throughout the universe.
Mormons do believe that Christ had a better plan than Lucifer but it was not Christ’s plan, it was God’s plan, Christ was simply following it.
Did Christ have a body before creation? Or did he become flesh? Christ was not static and God the Father helped him gain a body.
But then winning on your point as grounds to disqualify a presidential candidate would have ruled out 6 Unitarians and Abraham Lincoln (he believe Christ was created). Doesn’t the basis of your argument sound fruitless?
I think the Mormons I’ve met are the MOST Christian people I have ever met.
You know the answer to this. John 1.
"Doesn’t the basis of your argument sound fruitless?"
Nope.
Trinity debate again?
Yeah sure. Should we get followers of the Jewish religion involved too? How about Unitarians, can we get them too?
My big picture point is that Christ was not static in form, but he became things, i.e. the Word became Flesh. But I know you believe differently that somehow he stayed static but yet he was declared the only begotten of God. And somehow that is the most reasonable position, but I fail to see it other than it is just accepted as it is.
Smith was more bold than most heretics ... he tried to write himself into the Old Testament! Talk about spittin' in God's eye, and Mormonism is based upon his lies.
Wait, which part? You want to talk to our Jewish friends about the Trinity?
Hang on... let me get some popcorn first...
“attacks on mormon religion troubling...”
mormonism is a christian sect. christianity is in disrepute and has been and all of a sudden ‘attacks on mormon religion troubling’. they’re dealing with liberals who are communists in sheeps clothing. liberals/communists will always attack christianity. christianity is commnism’s natural enemy.
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