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To: hunter112
Sounds like just another variant on "all who do not choose our way are going to be dealt with harshly." Even you acknowledge that a non-Jew can indeed choose, even if you ascribe no obligation to it.

You misunderstand. Non-Jews are not in the least obligated to convert to Judaism (in fact, they are discouraged from doing so). However, they are obligated to observe the Noachide Laws, the first of which, against idolatry, obliges a belief in HaShem, the True G-d. This applies to you too. No "salvation" is offered. You are merely statutorily obligated as a Noachide to obey these laws (and everyone in the entire human race either Jewish or Noachide).

I fail to see why you object to the threat of punishment to the unbelievers/disobedient. Life is full of the threat of punishment. Perhaps you are offended by G-d doing the punishing? Who had you rather do it?

My remarks on atheists being anti-Christian were not meant to leave out Jewish people, most of us are not anti-Jew, either. It's just that I usually get into tussles with Christians (or, Chr*stians, if you prefer--I don't know what you folks think you're accomplishing by leaving out letters in words) on this forum.

I leave out the letters to avoid spelling out the names of false "gxds." If you have ever read your Bible, you know that HaShem is a Jealous G-d. J*sus was a hippie wimp.

It is unfortunate that chr*stians think that all arguments for the existence of the Biblical G-d must be arguments for chr*stianity, but they are not alone at fault. When atheists attack G-d, even the Jewish G-d, they always hold chr*stianity responsible. Personally, I resent this.

My experience has been that atheists like to pose as the great defenders of the Jewish People even as they attack Jewish ideas and misattribute them to chr*stianity. Again, I resent this. If you are opposed to belief in G-d, then don't pick on some people while loudly defending the same religous beliefs in others.

75 posted on 06/22/2007 1:33:14 PM PDT by Zionist Conspirator ( . . . veyiqchu 'eleykha farah 'adummah temimah, 'asher 'ein-bah mum, 'asher lo'-`alah `aleyha `ol.)
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To: Zionist Conspirator
My point is not to debate Jewish theology with you, I'm sure you are more than well versed in it. I just look at the whole thing and say, "Wow, that's a really legalistic way to view a deity."

Another thing, I'm no "great defender" of the Jewish people. I have them as neighbors, and I wish to get along with them. I also trust Israel far more than I trust her Arab neighbors.

I consider religion like politics, we all have the right and ability to either stay with what our parents raised us with, or we can make our own decisions if we want to. And as an American first, I honor that document that expresses our rights to make those religious and political choices.

76 posted on 06/22/2007 1:44:07 PM PDT by hunter112 (Change will happen when very good men are forced to do very bad things.)
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To: Zionist Conspirator
Unlike those people who define "anti-Semitism" as ethnic bigotry, I define it as opposition to or ridicule of actual Jewish religious beliefs. If you ever reidicule the Jewish G-d or His Torah I can assure you I will request your expulsion from this forum as an anti-Semite. And I mean it.

I leave out the letters to avoid spelling out the names of false "gxds." If you have ever read your Bible, you know that HaShem is a Jealous G-d. J*sus was a hippie wimp.

1) You haven't checked out His unequivocal denunciations of the ruling Pharisees, apparently.

2) And would you please give me those ground rules for ridicule again? Do you exercise voluntary self-expulsion whenever you practice a double standard?

79 posted on 06/22/2007 1:51:08 PM PDT by Caleb1411 ("These are the days when the Christian is expected to praise every creed except his own." G. K. C)
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To: Zionist Conspirator; hunter112
Wait a minute. It's alright for you to say "J*sus was a hippie wimp." but it's not ok for someone to criticize the Jewish G-d or His Torah, in your opinion.

It is people like you that help me understand why the religious war amongst the Jews and the Palestinians will never end.

104 posted on 06/23/2007 7:23:17 AM PDT by B4Ranch (Check out this website for the National Veterans Coalition http://www.nvets.org/)
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