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To: ChildOfThe60s
I know it's a waste trying to make this point with you, as we have been over this ground before...

I'm sure that won't stop you from trying again.

But it's NOT immigration reform. It's amnesty for illegal aliens.

Wrong. It's not amnesty. The author of the bill defines it. But you can call it whatever you want. Makes no difference to me.

Reform would be fixing our LEGAL immigration laws so that the educated and skilled people that are waiting years to get into the US and assimilate and become productive citizens could actually get in. That's what really needs reforming.

And I disagree on this too. Skilled and educated people have never had a problem getting into this country legally.

The REAL issue that needs dealing with pronto is the 12 million or more illegals already here. That's the most pressing issue today.

41 posted on 06/21/2007 7:12:23 PM PDT by Jorge
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To: Jorge
Skilled and educated people have never had a problem getting into this country legally.

Completely incorrect. My daughter handled that every day for an embassy in DC. She was the State Department liaison for the embassy as well as the chief protocol officer. It is a huge mess. I don't see how you could have the personal experience and professional expertise in that area that she has.

The author of the bill can call it fried chicken, but that doesn't make it so.

The REAL issue that needs dealing with pronto is the 12 million or more illegals already here. That's the most pressing issue today.

That's half of the really pressing issue. The other half is keeping illegals from pouring in. This bill won't deal with them beyond making them legal. Which is entirely wrong. And the notion that it will do anything to slow down the influx is a combination of lies and fantasy. Even if the bill had a genuine mechanism for securing the border (which it does not) this government would not enforce it.

The question which I have not seen answered is this. Why would the congress and the executive branch fund and enforce securing the border now, when they have not seen fit to do so for the last 21 years? What evidence is there that we can believe this will happen? Faith is for God, not for governments. The proof is in the actions. Which have been lies, some sly and some outright insulting to one's intelligence, and obfuscations.

Suppose you came home and found your wife in the sack with someone else, for the 20th time, and she said (as she had said the previous 19 times) that she would never do it again. Just take her back and she'd be faithful. Why do you suppose this time would be any different that the first 19?

100 posted on 06/21/2007 7:56:36 PM PDT by ChildOfThe60s (If you can remember the 60s........you weren't really there)
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To: Jorge
You have to give Dubya credit for trying and he was never sneaky about his intent.

I didn't trust that bill and I'm glad it has been killed (if it has been killed) but I suspect that just like No Child Left Behind made our schools better (and that wouldn't have been and isn't my solution), Dubya's immigration bill would have improved things over the status quo.

What I fear most is that if enough conservatives refuse to compromise on letting a lot of those illegals remain, what we will get is a fast track to the bilingual/multicultural society the left wants. Illegals will be fast-tracked to citizenship as was apparently done in the Clinton years, and even allowed to vote without being citizens as is suggested in some places.

143 posted on 06/21/2007 8:53:40 PM PDT by Tribune7 (A bleeding heart does nothing but ruin the carpet)
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