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To: wagglebee
It found that 60 percent of Americans who are fertility patients would subject their human embryos to scientific research if they weren't going to birth them.

That's no surprise. After all, these are the same narcissists who would rather spend tens or even hundreds of thousands of dollars perpetuating their own faulty DNA rather than adopt a needy child. These sociopaths have no moral inhibitions against destructive research or abortion. Children aren't real people to them, they are merely objects of achievement.

13 posted on 06/21/2007 9:35:57 PM PDT by Ronaldus Magnus
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To: Ronaldus Magnus
After all, these are the same narcissists who would rather spend tens or even hundreds of thousands of dollars perpetuating their own faulty DNA rather than adopt a needy child.

I hadn't thought of it quite that way before, I think you've really hit on something here.

26 posted on 06/22/2007 5:58:59 AM PDT by hunter112 (Change will happen when very good men are forced to do very bad things.)
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To: Ronaldus Magnus; wagglebee

“After all, these are the same narcissists who would rather spend tens or even hundreds of thousands of dollars perpetuating their own faulty DNA rather than adopt a needy child.”

Adoption of a healthy baby is very expensive and not as straightforward a proposition as some in the pro-life community would seem to suggest. It’s a long, bureaucratic process and there is no guarantee that a child awaits you at the end. A few rounds of IVF are actually less expensive.

True, there are older children who are more readily available for adoption but that’s not a cakewalk, either. It’s not like the bulk of these kids are up for adoption because they’ve been orphaned. They’re up for adoption because they’ve been abused. Or more accurately, tortured. The courts don’t remove children from abusive homes except in the most extreme of circumstances. I honor and respect the parents who take on the challenge of adopting one or more of these kids, but it’s truly not for everyone.

I think we in the pro-life community do ourselves a disfavor by not looking at the practical reasons why would-be parents choose IVF over adoption. Consider the fact that with IVF you don’t need to be fingerprinted, you don’t need to have a background check run, you don’t need to have some social worker evaluate your worthiness to be a parent, and you don’t need to wait two years or more for an answer. You also don’t need to live in fear that the birth mother of your child will have a change of heart and petition an overly sympathetic court system to return your child to them.

I find it fascinating that we in the pro-life community routinely criticize the courts, yet we implicitly expect adoptive parents to trust these same courts to do the “right” thing with regard to adoptions.

The simple fact is that IVF is a less expensive and more straightforward process for otherwise infertile couples to have children. We shouldn’t be surprised when people pick the cheap, easy, effective, but immoral over the long, miserable, expensive, but moral.


34 posted on 06/23/2007 3:53:53 AM PDT by RKBA Democrat (Lord Jesus Christ, Son of God, have mercy on me, a sinner!)
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To: Ronaldus Magnus

You have me figured out completely. What is your address so I can send you a diploma for a PhD in psychology?


42 posted on 07/09/2007 4:18:37 PM PDT by conservatrice
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