We'd have more power in EU if Germans hadn't 'reduced our population' in WWII, says Polish PM

Evening Standard ^ | June 21, 2007

[nkycincinnatikid]

I think perhaps the laugh is on you, in that this “tactic” is the exact rational used to arbitrarily create a Polish state where there had been none for almost two centuries.

[Lonesome in Massachussets]

How awful that a trivial thing like mass genocide is getting in the way of something important, like global warming discussions.

You notice that Germany and Russia never get any credit for all the good they did. If not for Germany and Russia, not only would there be 66 Million Poles (and numerous other Eastern Europeans) but they'd be living like Swedes or West Germans and generating megatons of CO2.

[Michael81Dus]

It´s alright. You´re answering to posts.

[Grzegorz 246]

Not a very smart speech, but dude’s point was that population shouldn’t directly decide about the number of votes in the EU, not that Poland actually should get something more because of WW2 losses... unfortunately most of the media in Europe (even these “conservative”) are “pro-European” (deeper integration, Euro “Constitution” and so on) so they are twisting words of those with even only a bit different attitude to make them look like idiots.

[Grzegorz 246]

Anything showing Slovakian economy to be less free than German is worth s*it, no matter how respected institution made It.

[BuffaloJack]

Give Poland additional votes to make up for population loss through genocide. Take the votes from Germany.

[RusIvan]

Between 1.6 million and 1.25 million Poles (the lowest estimate) were deported to Siberia and Kazakhstan between 1939-1941 as a result of Soviet “ethnic cleansing”.==

Total nonsense.

[Grzegorz 246]

Yep. And the war in Vietnam was worse than Stalin’s crimes...

[wolf78]

It's something you say when somebody bases his argument on absurd hypothetical. E.g.: "I'm not lazy. If my parents had given me proper emotional support as a child, I would be a millionaire by now.". The answer would then be: "Boo-Hoo, if cowsh*t were butter, farmers would all be millionaires!".

Meaning: If you're allowed to randomly change the premises of your argument, you can claim anything, even the biggest nonsense.

[Puddleglum]

Doesn’t Poland have the lowest birthrate in the EU? The leaders may be right but they also need to tell their folks the basics on increasing the population again. And here I thought the Germans might be best at avoiding the natural consequences of natural sex.

[RusIvan]

Well, Puttie Poot is not an option here, but there are other neighbors to have fun with - for instance Ukraine, Baltic states and Georgia. Potentially they could make up a strong alliance supported by the USA or even form their own Eastern European Union (EEU) within or outside the EU with uncertain results. The near future of Europe seems to be a damned interesting show!==

Seem for me it is very likely. Maybe Poland will unite GUAM countries?

[Jedi Master Pikachu]

Appreciated.

[RusIvan]

Yep. And the war in Vietnam was worse than Stalin’s crimes...==

Stupid to lie even on the Stalin’ crimes. Stalin didn’t deported Poles to Sibiria ever. I was born in Siberia I didn’t here about no Poles there deported after the WW2.

[RusIvan]

Plz explain me on what base your country wants to be same influential in EU as Germany or France? Those 2 are the founders of EU after all. I think those country has the most economical and political weight too. Why they should share it with Poland?

[Jedi Master Pikachu]

Siberia is huge. If considered to be all of Asian Russia, it could still be larger than every other country on Earth. So arguing that since you were born in Siberia that you should have more insight on whether Poles were or weren’t deported there is a bit of a stretch.

[Zionist Conspirator]

Japan basically went almost unpunished (culturally) after the war. Germany was definitely punished—to the point that many Germans today feel as though they are somehow responsible for what their ancestors did.

Germany (both of them) certainly rearmed quicker than Japan did.

One reason Japan has not had the pressure put upon it by Western liberals that Germany has is that it is a "non-Western" culture and thus, according to multiculturalism, is beyond critique by "Western" standards. Notice that even though World War II was "the good war," our war against Japan is now considered "bad."

I have long maintained that the contemporary Left has much more in common with WWII-era Japan than with the USSR. I don't think the ideology of WWII-era Japan has been studied to the extent that European fascism has, and I believe it would pay us to learn more about it.

[Grzegorz 246]

“Stalin didn’t deported Poles to Sibiria ever.”

You’re trying to be funny ? So how the hell in the Asian part of the Soviet Union in 41/42 the whole army was created, which later went to Persia and fought in Italy in 44 ? And next one more army, which fought on the Soviet side ?

[Grzegorz 246]

You better tell us why Russia is in G8...

[Rightwing Conspiratr1]

Likewise, Germany and France might have larger populations had not Romans invaded and made war on them for many years.

One should remind the EU that the Neanderthals have no votes.